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[Tony-4497]

As the government responsible for the whole of Cyprus, the RoC should step in once the current talks between the leaders of the 2 communities fail.

The RoC should put forward a detailed plan for a comprehensive solution on a BBF basis with political equality (similar to Annan), which, however, respects international law and human rights of all RoC citizens (including that of property, free movement etc), has a strong central government and allocates ground on a proportional basis (i.e. the TC-administered region to have 18% of land and 18% of coastline). The solution should of course be in full compliance with EU acquis.

After the 35 years of trying, this should be presented to Turkey as a FINAL chance for a BBF and a timescale should be provided. All parties, including Turkey, the EU, UN etc, should be informed that after a specific dealine this offer by the RoC expires and a BBF is declared unachievable - therefore a return to LEGALITY should be demanded from all parties

i.e. given that Cyprus is now EU-territory, which guarantees the safety and rights of all EU-RoC citizens, including TCs, Turkey should aknowledge there is no longer a justification for exercising its guarantor rights and should therefore remove its troops from Cyprus. Failing to do so should mean the end of all negotiations, the closing of the green line, and use of all legal means to force her to respect legality - including the full blocking of its EU process and a flood of lawsuits at all relevant international courts incl ECHR.

[Oracle]

We haven't reached such a point that we have to give the Turks what they came for.

No land! Not even 1%. It is ALL RoC ...

[YFred]

We haven't reached such a point that we have to give the Turks what they came for.

No land! Not even 1%. It is ALL RoC ...

Not even one tiny winy itsi bitsi 1 percent? You mean old cow, thats what you are.

[Tony-4497]

I did not say we "give" the Turks anything.

I am saying that rather than having endless, fruitless negotiations for a BBF (which Turks interprete as 2 countries) hence gradually de-criminalising Turkey, the RoC defines an ACCEPTABLE and fair version of a BBF, under which there are full human rights (i.e. all refugees get their properties back) and the TC canton/ district UNDER the RoC is set on a proportional basis (hence 18%).

[Oracle]

Cyprus is too small for "cantons" ... a recipe for continued in-fighting.

Nothing but full 100% control under the RoC and that is what the EU will help us accomplish. Normality and full democracy.

We have come far, to achieve this for 60% of the Island; we just need to get back the other 40% ... and no less.

It's darkest before the dawn so don't lose heart ...

[YFred]

Cyprus is too small for "cantons" ... a recipe for continued in-fighting.

Nothing but full 100% control under the RoC and that is what the EU will help us accomplish. Normality and full democracy.

We have come far, to achieve this for 60% of the Island; we just need to get back the other 40% ... and no less.

It's darkest before the dawn so don't lose heart ...

I can see them coming right now on a long road, open your arms and greet them.

[Nikitas]

Tony said:

"(i.e. the TC-administered region to have 18% of land and 18% of coastline). " Tony, have you tried to draw such an area on the map of Cyprus? It is just about impossible to do it.

The fact that our side does not have a "model" plan shows the tragic state of GC politics. Obviously the politicians do not want to show their hand and be compromised at the negotiating table etc. But a private think tank could have published and promoted such a plan, but NO, we are big on dialectic, ie inviting the others side for an argument but not on vision of a solution or how the life of citizens might unfold in a reasonable and democratic BBF.

Private individuals, including several forum members, have managed to put together a model plan of a Cyprus solution. Look up Kikapu's plan and Repulsewarrior's manifesto. They are way ahead of anything Cyprus politicians have come up with.

Our approach is anPublic Relations disaster. The only thing that saves us is that the other side is even worse at it than we are.

[Tony-4497]

Oracle

If this is what most GCs want then we are going about it in completely the wrong way - perpetually having doomed negotiations means that Turkey is put under no pressure and is allowed to continue bringing in settlers,that simply cannot be shipped back after decades. What's the way out?

Nikitas

I am sure one can define an 18% area.. it doesn't even have to be in one piece.. you are right about the rest though..

[Tony-4497]

By the way, ALL legal means to force a return to legality AFTER Turkey rejects the fair BBF RoC proposes includes legal action against the UK too.. to ensure they finally fullfil their duties as guarantors of the territorial integrity of the RoC (on the basis of which they have their bases)

[zan]

You make it sound as if the "RoC" have had no input into the Annan Plan and are not having an input into the new EU plan???