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[insan]

That flag can only be removed from there when a mutually accepted solution found. Until then forget it...

Why can't that disgraceful flag be removed now? What's it got to do with a mutually accepted solution? How can it be a bargaining chip?

You could clean it up tomorrow and it would cost Turkey nothing but a loss of misplaced, foolish pride while gaining the approval of the whole world. Its presence is a reminder of its barbarism.

If you can't see the shame it brings on Turkey and the people living in the north then there really is no hope for you. You're no better than a squattor who has shat in the living room he occupies out of spite but who refuses to acknowledge the stench it makes and clean it up.

With that flag there, neither TCs or Turkey gains or lose something nor GCs and Greeks gain or lose something. That flag was made there as a reaction against some actions of GC leadership.

I don't remeber any official of international community concerned with Cyprus problem talking abt that flag.

Talking abt that flag, instead of essentials of the problem is pure galimatias...

[The Cypriot]

With that flag there, neither TCs or Turkey gains or lose something

They'd gain some goodwill; even some trust, maybe.

nor GCs and Greeks gain or lose something.

I imagine free Cypriots (what have Greeks got to do with this?) would be made to feel a whole lot better about TCs - especially if you managed to convince Turkey to do it.

I don't remeber any official of international community concerned with Cyprus problem talking abt that flag.

There you go, it's a no-brainer! Remove it and they'll start talking about what a nice gesture it was... BTW, up to 2.5 million members of the international community get to see it annually.

Talking abt that flag, instead of essentials of the problem is pure galimatias...

We were talking about goodwill gestures, re shillo-belle. Action-reaction.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

The TC's were used by the british in the 50's and now Turkey is doing the same. You keep saying we should ease isolation.

What will you do in return.

Give us our land back? Very doubtful
Remove the Flag?

Please let me knowTC's what will you do for us?

Its a gamble. You could use it as a bargaining tool. If not satisfied, withdraw the 'friendly attitude'.

They may even remove the blot on the landscape. It should not be there in the first place. These are just small peices in the chess game. Sacrificial pawns and all that. If you dont go down that path, you will not find out.

No mate we are not that stupid. Why should we trust the Turks after what they have done to our country. We put our trust in you and turkey when we signed up to the Zurich Agreement and look where that got us. Occupation, murder and rape.

What garantees do we have you will play ball once that happens. You make the goodwill gesture first like giving back the villages that are empty and remove that racist flag then I believe the GC's would then be prepared to start looking at easing the isolation.

You have got some cheek you invade us rape our young girls murder civilians and then you want us to ease isolation before you show goodwill.

Really listen to what your asking for. Would you agree to that if the shoe was on the other foot?

There you go....no trust.............in the end we will both be fucked.

If you do not want to reach an amicable resolution to this problem, this is the sort of crap people will come up with.

Will we (meaning all of us) ever learn.

Hold up a minute why should we make the first move when you are the ones that occupy our land. You show good will first then we will.

Do you really think anyone in our shoes would show trust? Why dont you answer my questions Deniz.

U say TCs occupy your land... U should have well known that GC national front, with their humiliatory attitudes had left us 2 options to choose:

1- Accept to be a minority in Cyprus ruled by Greeks and GCs, given minority rights or leave Cyprus.

2- Struggle against GC/Greek national front to occupy a part of Cyprus and make it a safer, GC national front free area.

We chose the 2nd... Action/reaction led us today's circumstances... Had GC national Front digested political equality of TC community and existence of Ottoman "relics", "remnants", neither TCs would have wished to leave their ancestral homes and lands in South and flee to North nor Turkey forced to intervene and help us occupying North of Cyprus.

2x2=4 The essential of the problem is not difficult to be understood.

Why state the above I'm discussing goodwill with Deniz and you post that rubbish.

I want to know where are the TC's goodwill gestures. You keep saying remove isolation first.

Well if your side showed us goodwill like removeing that flag and handing back the empty villages which are being left to rot then you may well get what you wish for.

But to have the cheeck to expect us to make the first move is total crap.

Lets get it straight you occupy our land you need to make the first move.

That flag can only be removed from there when a mutually accepted solution found. Until then forget it...

Which villages u want to be given u?

We occupy ur land and u occupy our land... In 1977, leaders of 2 communities agreed that the solution of occupation problem would be solved with a BBF. This means until a solution is found, based on BBF both sides would keep occupying the lands they were inhabiting on since 1977. There were no flags on the mountain until I guess mid 80s, Denktash proposed return of Varosha, why didn't ur leadership accept the offer?

Because in exchange he wanted the occupied ports opened.

Was it too much to ask for? Btw, I'm talking abt the Denktash proposal in late 70s.

Denktash could not be trusted. I watched a documentary where Denktash said that no Greek Cypriots were murdered by TC's or Turkish troops during 74 invasion. He stated that he didnt know what had happened to 1000 missing people and you wanted us to agree to a proposal from a murderer who was always planning this with Turkey.

Look end of the day TC have a choice to make at this point.

Do want to continue living in limbo or do you want to be part of an EU nation? You lot keep stating we should make the first move that is crap.

Talat and Christofias have been trying to sort out a solution. They have only agreed on a few chapters beacuse of Turkeys position. So to me it looks like you are not interested in a solution because Turkey dont want one unless it's on their terms.

As you keep saying you want Turkeys guarantees and we say we dont want Turkeys guarantees. So where does that leave us if niether budges?

As we have proved in the UK TC's and GC's can live together but backward folk like you cant move on from the past. As you say you need to trust.

Do you really believe if Turkey withdrew her troops we would start harming TC's? Seriously you guys still think you are living in the 70's.

Cyprus is an EU nation which you should be part of I very much want that but you need to take a leap of faith and enjoy EU status with your GC brother. Stick with Turkey and you will continue living the way you are.

Make your choice soon my TC friends.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

That flag can only be removed from there when a mutually accepted solution found. Until then forget it...

Why can't that disgraceful flag be removed now? What's it got to do with a mutually accepted solution? How can it be a bargaining chip?

You could clean it up tomorrow and it would cost Turkey nothing but a loss of misplaced, foolish pride while gaining the approval of the whole world. Its presence is a reminder of its barbarism.

If you can't see the shame it brings on Turkey and the people living in the north then there really is no hope for you. You're no better than a squattor who has shat in the living room he occupies out of spite but who refuses to acknowledge the stench it makes and clean it up.

With that flag there, neither TCs or Turkey gains or lose something nor GCs and Greeks gain or lose something. That flag was made there as a reaction against some actions of GC leadership.

I don't remeber any official of international community concerned with Cyprus problem talking abt that flag.

Talking abt that flag, instead of essentials of the problem is pure galimatias...

The flag leaves a bitter taste in every GC's mouth. You keep saying trust show us a bit of goodwill and remove the flag or do we have to end isolation before that happens.

I guess having the flag makes you people feel better. Well as you keep saying show some good will and it will not cost you anything and you never know you may get something in return. Evry little gesture helps with building bridges.

[insan]

The TC's were used by the british in the 50's and now Turkey is doing the same. You keep saying we should ease isolation.

What will you do in return.

Give us our land back? Very doubtful
Remove the Flag?

Please let me knowTC's what will you do for us?

Its a gamble. You could use it as a bargaining tool. If not satisfied, withdraw the 'friendly attitude'.

They may even remove the blot on the landscape. It should not be there in the first place. These are just small peices in the chess game. Sacrificial pawns and all that. If you dont go down that path, you will not find out.

No mate we are not that stupid. Why should we trust the Turks after what they have done to our country. We put our trust in you and turkey when we signed up to the Zurich Agreement and look where that got us. Occupation, murder and rape.

What garantees do we have you will play ball once that happens. You make the goodwill gesture first like giving back the villages that are empty and remove that racist flag then I believe the GC's would then be prepared to start looking at easing the isolation.

You have got some cheek you invade us rape our young girls murder civilians and then you want us to ease isolation before you show goodwill.

Really listen to what your asking for. Would you agree to that if the shoe was on the other foot?

There you go....no trust.............in the end we will both be fucked.

If you do not want to reach an amicable resolution to this problem, this is the sort of crap people will come up with.

Will we (meaning all of us) ever learn.

Hold up a minute why should we make the first move when you are the ones that occupy our land. You show good will first then we will.

Do you really think anyone in our shoes would show trust? Why dont you answer my questions Deniz.

U say TCs occupy your land... U should have well known that GC national front, with their humiliatory attitudes had left us 2 options to choose:

1- Accept to be a minority in Cyprus ruled by Greeks and GCs, given minority rights or leave Cyprus.

2- Struggle against GC/Greek national front to occupy a part of Cyprus and make it a safer, GC national front free area.

We chose the 2nd... Action/reaction led us today's circumstances... Had GC national Front digested political equality of TC community and existence of Ottoman "relics", "remnants", neither TCs would have wished to leave their ancestral homes and lands in South and flee to North nor Turkey forced to intervene and help us occupying North of Cyprus.

2x2=4 The essential of the problem is not difficult to be understood.

Why state the above I'm discussing goodwill with Deniz and you post that rubbish.

I want to know where are the TC's goodwill gestures. You keep saying remove isolation first.

Well if your side showed us goodwill like removeing that flag and handing back the empty villages which are being left to rot then you may well get what you wish for.

But to have the cheeck to expect us to make the first move is total crap.

Lets get it straight you occupy our land you need to make the first move.

That flag can only be removed from there when a mutually accepted solution found. Until then forget it...

Which villages u want to be given u?

We occupy ur land and u occupy our land... In 1977, leaders of 2 communities agreed that the solution of occupation problem would be solved with a BBF. This means until a solution is found, based on BBF both sides would keep occupying the lands they were inhabiting on since 1977. There were no flags on the mountain until I guess mid 80s, Denktash proposed return of Varosha, why didn't ur leadership accept the offer?

Because in exchange he wanted the occupied ports opened.

Was it too much to ask for? Btw, I'm talking abt the Denktash proposal in late 70s.

Denktash could not be trusted. I watched a documentary where Denktash said that no Greek Cypriots were murdered by TC's or Turkish troops during 74 invasion. He stated that he didnt know what had happened to 1000 missing people and you wanted us to agree to a proposal from a murderer who was always planning this with Turkey.

Look end of the day TC have a choice to make at this point.

Do want to continue living in limbo or do you want to be part of an EU nation? You lot keep stating we should make the first move that is crap.

Talat and Christofias have been trying to sort out a solution. They have only agreed on a few chapters beacuse of Turkeys position. So to me it looks like you are not interested in a solution because Turkey dont want one unless it's on their terms.

As you keep saying you want Turkeys guarantees and we say we dont want Turkeys guarantees. So where does that leave us if niether budges?

As we have proved in the UK TC's and GC's can live together but backward folk like you cant move on from the past. As you say you need to trust.

Do you really believe if Turkey withdrew her troops we would start harming TC's? Seriously you guys still think you are living in the 70's.

Cyprus is an EU nation which you should be part of I very much want that but you need to take a leap of faith and enjoy EU status with your GC brother. Stick with Turkey and you will continue living the way you are.

Make your choice soon my TC friends.

- U r confusing Denktash with TPap I guess. It was TPap claiming no TCs were kiled by GCs or Greeks.

- When u talk abt past it's not backwardness but when a TC talk abt past it is considered backwardness, eh?

- According ur funny mentality and point of view, if Denktash is a murderer not trustworthy; what is Makarios, TPap, Kyprianou and Clerides then? Full trustworthy angels?

- Do u think if there was no national guard and 130.000 GC reservists backed by Greek army, TCs and Turkey would harm GCs? Seriously you guys still think you are living in the 70's.

- It doesn't matter whether we become a part of EU or not. There's a life outside of EU, too. U should have known that vast majority of GCs were against EU and the socio-economic conditions of GCs was far better in South before GCs joined EU. The only reason GCs accepted joining EU is for the sake of YOUR national cause. What a Hellenic national cause has to do with TCs?


U r too ridiculous and u r not aware of it.

[The Cypriot]

That flag can only be removed from there when a mutually accepted solution found. Until then forget it...

Why can't that disgraceful flag be removed now? What's it got to do with a mutually accepted solution? How can it be a bargaining chip?

You could clean it up tomorrow and it would cost Turkey nothing but a loss of misplaced, foolish pride while gaining the approval of the whole world. Its presence is a reminder of its barbarism.

If you can't see the shame it brings on Turkey and the people living in the north then there really is no hope for you. You're no better than a squattor who has shat in the living room he occupies out of spite but who refuses to acknowledge the stench it makes and clean it up.

With that flag there, neither TCs or Turkey gains or lose something nor GCs and Greeks gain or lose something. That flag was made there as a reaction against some actions of GC leadership.

I don't remeber any official of international community concerned with Cyprus problem talking abt that flag.

Talking abt that flag, instead of essentials of the problem is pure galimatias...

The flag leaves a bitter taste in every GC's mouth. You keep saying trust show us a bit of goodwill and remove the flag or do we have to end isolation before that happens.

I guess having the flag makes you people feel better. Well as you keep saying show some good will and it will not cost you anything and you never know you may get something in return. Evry little gesture helps with building bridges.

George, poor insan is in denial, I'm afraid. He is loathe to admit that Cypriots in the north could never remove the disgraceful flag on the Cypriot mountain - which brings shame and hurt to all Cypriots - because Turkey simply won't allow it.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

All I can say to you then is keep enjoying isolation. If you cant move forward then both communitys are fuc'ed.

Become a cyprus turk as you are now called and forget you were ever a turkish cypriot.

I gurantee one thing though we will never lift the isolation. I now believe we do not have a chance to settle this dispute. Us two cant agree on anything so how do we expect our leaders to.

As I said you need to make the first gesture. We have made many already. We have granted TC's citizenship to thousand of TC's you can use our hospitals what have you done for us in the last 40 years?

[insan]

That flag can only be removed from there when a mutually accepted solution found. Until then forget it...

Why can't that disgraceful flag be removed now? What's it got to do with a mutually accepted solution? How can it be a bargaining chip?

You could clean it up tomorrow and it would cost Turkey nothing but a loss of misplaced, foolish pride while gaining the approval of the whole world. Its presence is a reminder of its barbarism.

If you can't see the shame it brings on Turkey and the people living in the north then there really is no hope for you. You're no better than a squattor who has shat in the living room he occupies out of spite but who refuses to acknowledge the stench it makes and clean it up.

With that flag there, neither TCs or Turkey gains or lose something nor GCs and Greeks gain or lose something. That flag was made there as a reaction against some actions of GC leadership.

I don't remeber any official of international community concerned with Cyprus problem talking abt that flag.

Talking abt that flag, instead of essentials of the problem is pure galimatias...

The flag leaves a bitter taste in every GC's mouth. You keep saying trust show us a bit of goodwill and remove the flag or do we have to end isolation before that happens.

I guess having the flag makes you people feel better. Well as you keep saying show some good will and it will not cost you anything and you never know you may get something in return. Evry little gesture helps with building bridges.

George, poor insan is in denial, I'm afraid. He is loathe to admit that Cypriots in the north could never remove the disgraceful flag on the Cypriot mountain - which brings shame and hurt to all Cypriots - because Turkey simply won't allow it.

Cypriots in North r able to take any action when it is needed. U witnessed this throughout our history in Cyprus. When TCs began to struggle against GCs, there was no Turkey around yet.

For TCs, the flag on the mountain is not disgraceful. What disgraceful is the unjust embargoes on TCs and unjust legitimization of the so-called RoC.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Yea right you are free to do as you wish so why have you been banned from calling yourself turkish cypriot?


Answer that you idiot. So does that flag make you feel pround? I guess all those mass graves that are now being uncovered make you proud as well.

Your puppet state is built on murder and rape. I bet that makes you so proud?

[The Cypriot]

For TCs, the flag on the mountain is not disgraceful.

Shame on you.

What disgraceful is the unjust embargoes on TCs and unjust legitimization of the so-called RoC.

Action/reaction.....?