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[YFred]

The TC's were used by the british in the 50's and now Turkey is doing the same. You keep saying we should ease isolation.

What will you do in return.

Give us our land back? Very doubtful
Remove the Flag?

Please let me knowTC's what will you do for us?

Its a gamble. You could use it as a bargaining tool. If not satisfied, withdraw the 'friendly attitude'.

They may even remove the blot on the landscape. It should not be there in the first place. These are just small peices in the chess game. Sacrificial pawns and all that. If you dont go down that path, you will not find out.

No mate we are not that stupid. Why should we trust the Turks after what they have done to our country. We put our trust in you and turkey when we signed up to the Zurich Agreement and look where that got us. Occupation, murder and rape.

What garantees do we have you will play ball once that happens. You make the goodwill gesture first like giving back the villages that are empty and remove that racist flag then I believe the GC's would then be prepared to start looking at easing the isolation.

You have got some cheek you invade us rape our young girls murder civilians and then you want us to ease isolation before you show goodwill.

Really listen to what your asking for. Would you agree to that if the shoe was on the other foot?

R u sure u put trust in TCs and Turkey by signing up the Zurich agreement? Or u were "imposed" it by "foreigners" and "forced" to sign up? Or a satisfactory to all solution was needed as a requirement of being in the same alliance but u weren't aware of it? Nevertheless, most of the GCs and Greeks still r not aware of it...

No Insan, they did not sign it with trust. They signed it and immediately implemented the Akritas plan with the aim of enosis. Where there no smoke without fire.

But it’s easier for conscience if they can make themselves believe that it was all Turks fault.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

The TC's were used by the british in the 50's and now Turkey is doing the same. You keep saying we should ease isolation.

What will you do in return.

Give us our land back? Very doubtful
Remove the Flag?

Please let me knowTC's what will you do for us?

Its a gamble. You could use it as a bargaining tool. If not satisfied, withdraw the 'friendly attitude'.

They may even remove the blot on the landscape. It should not be there in the first place. These are just small peices in the chess game. Sacrificial pawns and all that. If you dont go down that path, you will not find out.

No mate we are not that stupid. Why should we trust the Turks after what they have done to our country. We put our trust in you and turkey when we signed up to the Zurich Agreement and look where that got us. Occupation, murder and rape.

What garantees do we have you will play ball once that happens. You make the goodwill gesture first like giving back the villages that are empty and remove that racist flag then I believe the GC's would then be prepared to start looking at easing the isolation.

You have got some cheek you invade us rape our young girls murder civilians and then you want us to ease isolation before you show goodwill.

Really listen to what your asking for. Would you agree to that if the shoe was on the other foot?

There you go....no trust.............in the end we will both be fucked.

If you do not want to reach an amicable resolution to this problem, this is the sort of crap people will come up with.

Will we (meaning all of us) ever learn.

Hold up a minute why should we make the first move when you are the ones that occupy our land. You show good will first then we will.

Do you really think anyone in our shoes would show trust? Why dont you answer my questions Deniz.

[denizaksulu]

The TC's were used by the british in the 50's and now Turkey is doing the same. You keep saying we should ease isolation.

What will you do in return.

Give us our land back? Very doubtful
Remove the Flag?

Please let me knowTC's what will you do for us?

Its a gamble. You could use it as a bargaining tool. If not satisfied, withdraw the 'friendly attitude'.

They may even remove the blot on the landscape. It should not be there in the first place. These are just small peices in the chess game. Sacrificial pawns and all that. If you dont go down that path, you will not find out.

No mate we are not that stupid. Why should we trust the Turks after what they have done to our country. We put our trust in you and turkey when we signed up to the Zurich Agreement and look where that got us. Occupation, murder and rape.

What garantees do we have you will play ball once that happens. You make the goodwill gesture first like giving back the villages that are empty and remove that racist flag then I believe the GC's would then be prepared to start looking at easing the isolation.

You have got some cheek you invade us rape our young girls murder civilians and then you want us to ease isolation before you show goodwill.

Really listen to what your asking for. Would you agree to that if the shoe was on the other foot?

There you go....no trust.............in the end we will both be fucked.

If you do not want to reach an amicable resolution to this problem, this is the sort of crap people will come up with.

Will we (meaning all of us) ever learn.

Hold up a minute why should we make the first move when you are the ones that occupy our land. You show good will first then we will.

Do you really think anyone in our shoes would show trust? Why dont you answer my questions Deniz.

Me first or you first...do you think that argument will get us anywhere. That is no more than a blame game. The RoC has the upper hand in negotiations because of its legal position, hence you can afford it. I cannot answer an unanswerable question. We are in deep ---- (us Cypriots) you either trust or dont trust. If YOU want any sort of settlement and mean it, get to the table and make your gestures simultaneously. You know what will happen in the end: The vilayet of Girne/ Mersin-10 Turkey. If you think that you can stop this happening then you are in cuckoo-land. It sounds like blackmail, but unfortubately this is the game played by Turkey and its puppets in the north.

[insan]

The TC's were used by the british in the 50's and now Turkey is doing the same. You keep saying we should ease isolation.

What will you do in return.

Give us our land back? Very doubtful
Remove the Flag?

Please let me knowTC's what will you do for us?

Its a gamble. You could use it as a bargaining tool. If not satisfied, withdraw the 'friendly attitude'.

They may even remove the blot on the landscape. It should not be there in the first place. These are just small peices in the chess game. Sacrificial pawns and all that. If you dont go down that path, you will not find out.

No mate we are not that stupid. Why should we trust the Turks after what they have done to our country. We put our trust in you and turkey when we signed up to the Zurich Agreement and look where that got us. Occupation, murder and rape.

What garantees do we have you will play ball once that happens. You make the goodwill gesture first like giving back the villages that are empty and remove that racist flag then I believe the GC's would then be prepared to start looking at easing the isolation.

You have got some cheek you invade us rape our young girls murder civilians and then you want us to ease isolation before you show goodwill.

Really listen to what your asking for. Would you agree to that if the shoe was on the other foot?

There you go....no trust.............in the end we will both be fucked.

If you do not want to reach an amicable resolution to this problem, this is the sort of crap people will come up with.

Will we (meaning all of us) ever learn.

Hold up a minute why should we make the first move when you are the ones that occupy our land. You show good will first then we will.

Do you really think anyone in our shoes would show trust? Why dont you answer my questions Deniz.

U say TCs occupy your land... U should have well known that GC national front, with their humiliatory attitudes had left us 2 options to choose:

1- Accept to be a minority in Cyprus ruled by Greeks and GCs, given minority rights or leave Cyprus.

2- Struggle against GC/Greek national front to occupy a part of Cyprus and make it a safer, GC national front free area.

We chose the 2nd... Action/reaction led us today's circumstances... Had GC national Front digested political equality of TC community and existence of Ottoman "relics", "remnants", neither TCs would have wished to leave their ancestral homes and lands in South and flee to North nor Turkey forced to intervene and help us occupying North of Cyprus.

2x2=4 The essential of the problem is not difficult to be understood.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

The TC's were used by the british in the 50's and now Turkey is doing the same. You keep saying we should ease isolation.

What will you do in return.

Give us our land back? Very doubtful
Remove the Flag?

Please let me knowTC's what will you do for us?

Its a gamble. You could use it as a bargaining tool. If not satisfied, withdraw the 'friendly attitude'.

They may even remove the blot on the landscape. It should not be there in the first place. These are just small peices in the chess game. Sacrificial pawns and all that. If you dont go down that path, you will not find out.

No mate we are not that stupid. Why should we trust the Turks after what they have done to our country. We put our trust in you and turkey when we signed up to the Zurich Agreement and look where that got us. Occupation, murder and rape.

What garantees do we have you will play ball once that happens. You make the goodwill gesture first like giving back the villages that are empty and remove that racist flag then I believe the GC's would then be prepared to start looking at easing the isolation.

You have got some cheek you invade us rape our young girls murder civilians and then you want us to ease isolation before you show goodwill.

Really listen to what your asking for. Would you agree to that if the shoe was on the other foot?

There you go....no trust.............in the end we will both be fucked.

If you do not want to reach an amicable resolution to this problem, this is the sort of crap people will come up with.

Will we (meaning all of us) ever learn.

Hold up a minute why should we make the first move when you are the ones that occupy our land. You show good will first then we will.

Do you really think anyone in our shoes would show trust? Why dont you answer my questions Deniz.

U say TCs occupy your land... U should have well known that GC national front, with their humiliatory attitudes had left us 2 options to choose:

1- Accept to be a minority in Cyprus ruled by Greeks and GCs, given minority rights or leave Cyprus.

2- Struggle against GC/Greek national front to occupy a part of Cyprus and make it a safer, GC national front free area.

We chose the 2nd... Action/reaction led us today's circumstances... Had GC national Front digested political equality of TC community and existence of Ottoman "relics", "remnants", neither TCs would have wished to leave their ancestral homes and lands in South and flee to North nor Turkey forced to intervene and help us occupying North of Cyprus.

2x2=4 The essential of the problem is not difficult to be understood.

Why state the above I'm discussing goodwill with Deniz and you post that rubbish.

I want to know where are the TC's goodwill gestures. You keep saying remove isolation first.

Well if your side showed us goodwill like removeing that flag and handing back the empty villages which are being left to rot then you may well get what you wish for.

But to have the cheeck to expect us to make the first move is total crap.

Lets get it straight you occupy our land you need to make the first move.

[-mikkie2-]

"The RoC has the upper hand in negotiations because of its legal position, hence you can afford it."

The RoC does not have the upper hand in negotiations. It is Turkey that has it by occupying and maintaining the occupation of the north part of our island. the RoC has done very little to take advantage of its legal position. I don't really see how it can as long as the international community does not put significant pressure on Turkey to accept international law.

[insan]

The TC's were used by the british in the 50's and now Turkey is doing the same. You keep saying we should ease isolation.

What will you do in return.

Give us our land back? Very doubtful
Remove the Flag?

Please let me knowTC's what will you do for us?

Its a gamble. You could use it as a bargaining tool. If not satisfied, withdraw the 'friendly attitude'.

They may even remove the blot on the landscape. It should not be there in the first place. These are just small peices in the chess game. Sacrificial pawns and all that. If you dont go down that path, you will not find out.

No mate we are not that stupid. Why should we trust the Turks after what they have done to our country. We put our trust in you and turkey when we signed up to the Zurich Agreement and look where that got us. Occupation, murder and rape.

What garantees do we have you will play ball once that happens. You make the goodwill gesture first like giving back the villages that are empty and remove that racist flag then I believe the GC's would then be prepared to start looking at easing the isolation.

You have got some cheek you invade us rape our young girls murder civilians and then you want us to ease isolation before you show goodwill.

Really listen to what your asking for. Would you agree to that if the shoe was on the other foot?

There you go....no trust.............in the end we will both be fucked.

If you do not want to reach an amicable resolution to this problem, this is the sort of crap people will come up with.

Will we (meaning all of us) ever learn.

Hold up a minute why should we make the first move when you are the ones that occupy our land. You show good will first then we will.

Do you really think anyone in our shoes would show trust? Why dont you answer my questions Deniz.

U say TCs occupy your land... U should have well known that GC national front, with their humiliatory attitudes had left us 2 options to choose:

1- Accept to be a minority in Cyprus ruled by Greeks and GCs, given minority rights or leave Cyprus.

2- Struggle against GC/Greek national front to occupy a part of Cyprus and make it a safer, GC national front free area.

We chose the 2nd... Action/reaction led us today's circumstances... Had GC national Front digested political equality of TC community and existence of Ottoman "relics", "remnants", neither TCs would have wished to leave their ancestral homes and lands in South and flee to North nor Turkey forced to intervene and help us occupying North of Cyprus.

2x2=4 The essential of the problem is not difficult to be understood.

Why state the above I'm discussing goodwill with Deniz and you post that rubbish.

I want to know where are the TC's goodwill gestures. You keep saying remove isolation first.

Well if your side showed us goodwill like removeing that flag and handing back the empty villages which are being left to rot then you may well get what you wish for.

But to have the cheeck to expect us to make the first move is total crap.

Lets get it straight you occupy our land you need to make the first move.

That flag can only be removed from there when a mutually accepted solution found. Until then forget it...

Which villages u want to be given u?

We occupy ur land and u occupy our land... In 1977, leaders of 2 communities agreed that the occupation problem would be solved with a BBF. This means until a solution is found, based on BBF both sides would keep occupying the lands they were inhabiting on since 1977. There were no flags on the mountain until I guess mid 80s, Denktash proposed return of Varosha, why didn't ur leadership accept the offer?

[DT.]

The TC's were used by the british in the 50's and now Turkey is doing the same. You keep saying we should ease isolation.

What will you do in return.

Give us our land back? Very doubtful
Remove the Flag?

Please let me knowTC's what will you do for us?

Its a gamble. You could use it as a bargaining tool. If not satisfied, withdraw the 'friendly attitude'.

They may even remove the blot on the landscape. It should not be there in the first place. These are just small peices in the chess game. Sacrificial pawns and all that. If you dont go down that path, you will not find out.

No mate we are not that stupid. Why should we trust the Turks after what they have done to our country. We put our trust in you and turkey when we signed up to the Zurich Agreement and look where that got us. Occupation, murder and rape.

What garantees do we have you will play ball once that happens. You make the goodwill gesture first like giving back the villages that are empty and remove that racist flag then I believe the GC's would then be prepared to start looking at easing the isolation.

You have got some cheek you invade us rape our young girls murder civilians and then you want us to ease isolation before you show goodwill.

Really listen to what your asking for. Would you agree to that if the shoe was on the other foot?

There you go....no trust.............in the end we will both be fucked.

If you do not want to reach an amicable resolution to this problem, this is the sort of crap people will come up with.

Will we (meaning all of us) ever learn.

Hold up a minute why should we make the first move when you are the ones that occupy our land. You show good will first then we will.

Do you really think anyone in our shoes would show trust? Why dont you answer my questions Deniz.

U say TCs occupy your land... U should have well known that GC national front, with their humiliatory attitudes had left us 2 options to choose:

1- Accept to be a minority in Cyprus ruled by Greeks and GCs, given minority rights or leave Cyprus.

2- Struggle against GC/Greek national front to occupy a part of Cyprus and make it a safer, GC national front free area.

We chose the 2nd... Action/reaction led us today's circumstances... Had GC national Front digested political equality of TC community and existence of Ottoman "relics", "remnants", neither TCs would have wished to leave their ancestral homes and lands in South and flee to North nor Turkey forced to intervene and help us occupying North of Cyprus.

2x2=4 The essential of the problem is not difficult to be understood.

Why state the above I'm discussing goodwill with Deniz and you post that rubbish.

I want to know where are the TC's goodwill gestures. You keep saying remove isolation first.

Well if your side showed us goodwill like removeing that flag and handing back the empty villages which are being left to rot then you may well get what you wish for.

But to have the cheeck to expect us to make the first move is total crap.

Lets get it straight you occupy our land you need to make the first move.

That flag can only be removed from there when a mutually accepted solution found. Until then forget it...

Which villages u want to be given u?

We occupy ur land and u occupy our land... In 1977, leaders of 2 communities agreed that the solution of occupation problem would be solved with a BBF. This means until a solution is found, based on BBF both sides would keep occupying the lands they were inhabiting on since 1977. There were no flags on the mountain until I guess mid 80s, Denktash proposed return of Varosha, why didn't ur leadership accept the offer?

Because in exchange he wanted the occupied ports opened.

[insan]

The TC's were used by the british in the 50's and now Turkey is doing the same. You keep saying we should ease isolation.

What will you do in return.

Give us our land back? Very doubtful
Remove the Flag?

Please let me knowTC's what will you do for us?

Its a gamble. You could use it as a bargaining tool. If not satisfied, withdraw the 'friendly attitude'.

They may even remove the blot on the landscape. It should not be there in the first place. These are just small peices in the chess game. Sacrificial pawns and all that. If you dont go down that path, you will not find out.

No mate we are not that stupid. Why should we trust the Turks after what they have done to our country. We put our trust in you and turkey when we signed up to the Zurich Agreement and look where that got us. Occupation, murder and rape.

What garantees do we have you will play ball once that happens. You make the goodwill gesture first like giving back the villages that are empty and remove that racist flag then I believe the GC's would then be prepared to start looking at easing the isolation.

You have got some cheek you invade us rape our young girls murder civilians and then you want us to ease isolation before you show goodwill.

Really listen to what your asking for. Would you agree to that if the shoe was on the other foot?

There you go....no trust.............in the end we will both be fucked.

If you do not want to reach an amicable resolution to this problem, this is the sort of crap people will come up with.

Will we (meaning all of us) ever learn.

Hold up a minute why should we make the first move when you are the ones that occupy our land. You show good will first then we will.

Do you really think anyone in our shoes would show trust? Why dont you answer my questions Deniz.

U say TCs occupy your land... U should have well known that GC national front, with their humiliatory attitudes had left us 2 options to choose:

1- Accept to be a minority in Cyprus ruled by Greeks and GCs, given minority rights or leave Cyprus.

2- Struggle against GC/Greek national front to occupy a part of Cyprus and make it a safer, GC national front free area.

We chose the 2nd... Action/reaction led us today's circumstances... Had GC national Front digested political equality of TC community and existence of Ottoman "relics", "remnants", neither TCs would have wished to leave their ancestral homes and lands in South and flee to North nor Turkey forced to intervene and help us occupying North of Cyprus.

2x2=4 The essential of the problem is not difficult to be understood.

Why state the above I'm discussing goodwill with Deniz and you post that rubbish.

I want to know where are the TC's goodwill gestures. You keep saying remove isolation first.

Well if your side showed us goodwill like removeing that flag and handing back the empty villages which are being left to rot then you may well get what you wish for.

But to have the cheeck to expect us to make the first move is total crap.

Lets get it straight you occupy our land you need to make the first move.

That flag can only be removed from there when a mutually accepted solution found. Until then forget it...

Which villages u want to be given u?

We occupy ur land and u occupy our land... In 1977, leaders of 2 communities agreed that the solution of occupation problem would be solved with a BBF. This means until a solution is found, based on BBF both sides would keep occupying the lands they were inhabiting on since 1977. There were no flags on the mountain until I guess mid 80s, Denktash proposed return of Varosha, why didn't ur leadership accept the offer?

Because in exchange he wanted the occupied ports opened.

Was it too much to ask for? Btw, I'm talking abt the Denktash proposal in late 70s.

[The Cypriot]

That flag can only be removed from there when a mutually accepted solution found. Until then forget it...

Why can't that disgraceful flag be removed now? What's it got to do with a mutually accepted solution? How can it be a bargaining chip?

You could clean it up tomorrow and it would cost Turkey nothing but a loss of misplaced, foolish pride while gaining the approval of the whole world. Its presence is a reminder of its barbarism.

If you can't see the shame it brings on Turkey and the people living in the north then there really is no hope for you. You're no better than a squatter who has shat in the living room he occupies out of spite but who refuses to acknowledge the stench it makes and clean it up.