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[Get Real!]

The aim has never been to have a million. The aim was always to restore the balance of the population...

To "restore" means to reestablish! But, there was never a balance of population to reestablish so what are you talking about?

[YFred]

The aim has never been to have a million. The aim was always to restore the balance of the population...

To "restore" means to reestablish! But, there was never a balance of population to reestablish so what are you talking about?

Balance does not mean equal, it means what ever the percentages were in 1960. What, you have turned simple Simon all of a sudden?

[Get Real!]

The aim has never been to have a million. The aim was always to restore the balance of the population...

To "restore" means to reestablish! But, there was never a balance of population to reestablish so what are you talking about?

Balance does not mean equal, it means what ever the percentages were in 1960. What, you have turned simple Simon all of a sudden?

And do these 300 thousand odd settlers restore this "balance" you're aiming?

[YFred]

The aim has never been to have a million. The aim was always to restore the balance of the population...

To "restore" means to reestablish! But, there was never a balance of population to reestablish so what are you talking about?

Balance does not mean equal, it means what ever the percentages were in 1960. What, you have turned simple Simon all of a sudden?

And do these 300 thousand odd settlers restore this "balance" you're aiming?

Dream on. It’s all propaganda. There aren’t 300,000 settlers.
The whole population is about 300,000, with 50,000 students at the universities included.
Have you taken your stupid pills again, stop playing Game Boy.

[denizaksulu]

Oracle

We may be saying the same thing in different ways. My point is that the RoC should offer a BBF that suits us, NOT Turkey. Once they reject it then we will have the ethical ground to release ourselves from the BBF concept and actively push for a unitary RoC, which is a fairer solution.

If on the other hand we continue the current situation for 20 more years, without Turkey having any cost or pressure, it will simply be impossible to reverse the situation on the ground (you cannot deport a million turks - that's what they are aiming for)

The aim has never been to have a million. The aim was always to restore the balance of the population before the GC attempt to cleanse Cyprus of TCs. Unfortunately even after 74, the tide continued due to our lovely cousins in the south with their suffocating activities.

What distresses me most is that fact that 'our cousins' in the south fail to see that it is their 'suffocating activities' that pushes the TC's into the arms of Turkey. Ofcourse Turkey loves it. Then the GC's cry wolf.

[Get Real!]

Oracle

We may be saying the same thing in different ways. My point is that the RoC should offer a BBF that suits us, NOT Turkey. Once they reject it then we will have the ethical ground to release ourselves from the BBF concept and actively push for a unitary RoC, which is a fairer solution.

If on the other hand we continue the current situation for 20 more years, without Turkey having any cost or pressure, it will simply be impossible to reverse the situation on the ground (you cannot deport a million turks - that's what they are aiming for)

The aim has never been to have a million. The aim was always to restore the balance of the population before the GC attempt to cleanse Cyprus of TCs. Unfortunately even after 74, the tide continued due to our lovely cousins in the south with their suffocating activities.

What distresses me most is that fact that 'our cousins' in the south fail to see that it is their 'suffocating activities' that pushes the TC's into the arms of Turkey. Ofcourse Turkey loves it. Then the GC's cry wolf.

I'd be interested to hear your take on what the RoC can/should do to fix this Deniz. It would make an interesting new thread.

[YFred]

Oracle

We may be saying the same thing in different ways. My point is that the RoC should offer a BBF that suits us, NOT Turkey. Once they reject it then we will have the ethical ground to release ourselves from the BBF concept and actively push for a unitary RoC, which is a fairer solution.

If on the other hand we continue the current situation for 20 more years, without Turkey having any cost or pressure, it will simply be impossible to reverse the situation on the ground (you cannot deport a million turks - that's what they are aiming for)

The aim has never been to have a million. The aim was always to restore the balance of the population before the GC attempt to cleanse Cyprus of TCs. Unfortunately even after 74, the tide continued due to our lovely cousins in the south with their suffocating activities.

What distresses me most is that fact that 'our cousins' in the south fail to see that it is their 'suffocating activities' that pushes the TC's into the arms of Turkey. Ofcourse Turkey loves it. Then the GC's cry wolf.

Absolutely spot on Deniz. They are blind to it.

[denizaksulu]

Oracle

We may be saying the same thing in different ways. My point is that the RoC should offer a BBF that suits us, NOT Turkey. Once they reject it then we will have the ethical ground to release ourselves from the BBF concept and actively push for a unitary RoC, which is a fairer solution.

If on the other hand we continue the current situation for 20 more years, without Turkey having any cost or pressure, it will simply be impossible to reverse the situation on the ground (you cannot deport a million turks - that's what they are aiming for)

The aim has never been to have a million. The aim was always to restore the balance of the population before the GC attempt to cleanse Cyprus of TCs. Unfortunately even after 74, the tide continued due to our lovely cousins in the south with their suffocating activities.

What distresses me most is that fact that 'our cousins' in the south fail to see that it is their 'suffocating activities' that pushes the TC's into the arms of Turkey. Ofcourse Turkey loves it. Then the GC's cry wolf.

I'd be interested to hear your take on what the RoC can/should do to fix this Deniz. It would make an interesting new thread.

I will not begin a new thread as I can not think like a politician. Only that way I would be able to answer questions. Suffice to say, if the RoC showed a more friendly attitude towards activities of the north and not getting their knickers in a twist because the north deigns to represent itself abroad, might endear more TCs to trust the RoC. But no, you have to bring up 'recognition/non-recognition every and each time.

As I said before, the RoC is pushing us into the arms of Turkey. Personally I have no wish to become a 'vilayet' of Turkey, but your actions/inactions will not prevent this happening.

I hope I will not live (long enough) to see the day.

[Nikitas]

" All the RoC has is the veto within the EU - its the nuclear option as it were with very little in between."

Annexation is a MAJOR step which gurantees non recognition of the north practically forever. Since world war II it has been settled that there can be no territorial aggrandisement through warfare. Israel has annexed the Golan heights decades ago, no one recognises their sovereignty over the area.

But, in the event that such a move does take place CYprus has many options and none of them include the EU veto.

It can unite with Greece, or declare a RoC Greece confederation, both moves brig about the very result that Turkey ha been trying to prevent since 1923.

The RoC options list is much longer than the TC-Turkish list of options. Turkey is caught in a bind of its own making in Cyprus. Its presence there will never be problem free or secure. It will always be subject to the challenge of the displaced GCs.

The only legalisation possible is one which is carried out through a plebiscite. Everything else is wishfull thinking.

But the only people who can challege Turkey's presence in Cyprus in the short term are the TCs. That is why the ball is in their court. On the other hand they seem to be leaving to the point that by the time they do anything there will not be any TCs left.

[-mikkie2-]

"It can unite with Greece, or declare a RoC Greece confederation, both moves brig about the very result that Turkey ha been trying to prevent since 1923."

Pointless really. We are both EU members and the integration of EU institutions will pretty much unite most of the EU member states in one way or another.

The major issue that Turkey seems to have is security, and they think that this is solved by having an active presence in Cyprus.

One think I do not understand is why Cyprus does not apply to join the Partnership for Peace, which is a pre-requisite for NATO membership. This will put Turkey in a very difficult position because she would have to exercise a veto which would put her in a difficult position with het NATO partners.