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[GeorgeV97qaue]

I have been monitoring the peace taks ever since Christofias and Talat agreed to start the peace process.

Over the last couple of months its become apparant the TC side do not wish to find a solution that is benefical to both sides. They wont agree to anything the GC's want so what is the point apart from scoring points of each other.

In view of this I personally think we should close the border. Refuse access to anyone through the green line. We can then sit back and watch them go bankrupt. Reject any EU funding for the North.

Let see how long they last with these measures in place.

We have made so many goodwill gestures yet they want more and more. Thats enough how about the TC's make a few goodwill gestures if you want the border to remain open.

How about removing that f@cking flag from the mountains outside Nicosia. And allowing GC's to use abandond villages across the green line such as Achna and Varosi.

[YFred]

There is only one point we agree with there. All empty villages and towns should be handed back immediately and all Ports of Turkey should be opened to the GCs for the mere small consolation of removal of isolation and opening of all ports in TRNC.
There you will have the beginnings of a happy relationship with further concession from our Muhtar to come.
Otherwise you’ll get bugger all back with or without a war.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Yfred why should we ease isolation when you still ocuupy many other villages. One step at a time my old mucker.

You remove the flag give us back the villages you dont use in return we open up the port in Famgusta for you to be able to export and import under UN supervision.

Their is no way we can grant your wish for removal of the isolation and all ports until an agreement is found. Do you think we are that stupid.

Otherwise we should close the border and wait to see what happens. You cant have it all your own way.

[YFred]

Yfred why should we ease isolation when you still ocuupy many other villages. One step at a time my old mucker.

You remove the flag give us back the villages you dont use in return we open up the port in Famgusta for you to be able to export and import under UN supervision.

Their is no way we can grant your wish for removal of the isolation and all ports until an agreement is found. Do you think we are that stupid.

Otherwise we should close the border and wait to see what happens. You cant have it all your own way.

You will have no better opening offer than that. I believe that will remove all sorts of problems from the negotiations for the betterment of everybody. As I said before, if you insist on continuing to suffocate us at every opportunity, you will get what you deserve in the end.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

I believe in justice mate. How can you justify the following.

200,000 settlers to be granted citizensip
Not allowing all Gc's back to their propertys
Turkish Garantee rights
No giving us back mophu and karpass


I can go on for ages. What do you offer us in return?

[YFred]

I believe in justice mate. How can you justify the following.

200,000 settlers to be granted citizensip
Not allowing all Gc's back to their propertys
Turkish Garantee rights
No giving us back mophu and karpass


I can go on for ages. What do you offer us in return?

So do I, and I didn't say it was the end of the negotiations but the beginning. After my suggestion you will find the TCs in a much more compromising mentality then while they are being suffocated. Human nature and all that.

I expect Omorfo, Karpaz and other villages that are being occupied currently by settlers to be given back whether they are part of the North state or South.
Regarding settlers, not all will remain, but I see them as essential for the TCs to have confidence in their future. Especially as you cannot bring back the TCs that left from 63 onwards and I don't see why the GC side should be rewarded for their ethnic cleansing activities.

[Get Real!]

Time to abandon the talks and close the border.

You mean the roadblocks of the demarcation line.

[Dr J]

I don't see why the GC side should be rewarded for their ethnic cleansing activities.

Why even have a conversation with a brain-washed spastic like Y-Fred who is still lieing about the history of Cyprus.

[YFred]

I don't see why the GC side should be rewarded for their ethnic cleansing activities.

Why even have a conversation with a brain-washed spastic like Y-Fred who is still lieing about the history of Cyprus.

Well Well, if it isn't Dr Living Death come back to life to haunt us.

[cymart]

We have enough knee-jerkers on both sides already and this is the last thing we need!
Try to read between the lines and don't take public statements so seriously!Both sides leaders are under pressure at home from various nutcases,nationalists and people whose political reasoning is so fossilised that they are living like dinosaurs!
Turkey knows that they cannot offer less on the territorial issue than they would have in 2004 for the G.C's to accept a solution,but this will be agreed at the end of the negotiating process,not via slanging matches and accusations!
Everyone knows which areas will be involved.As for the Karpas,there were never any serious discussions on returning it to the Greek-Cypriots,except at Burgenstock in 2004 when it was raised by E.U. commisioner Gunther Ferheugen with George Vasiliou,but our 'enlightened' leadership then had another agenda which was to get the Annan 5 plan rejected at a referendum,rather than negotiate improvements to it,and this included holding clandestine meetings with Serdar Denktash behind everyones backs!(but we won't go into that now...).What could be discussed for the Karpass is an arrangement that would allow Greek-Cypriots from there to return if they wish to and have guaranteed rights and security.But for practical reasons,especially after 35 years,the number who would choose to return would be small and probably limited to some elderly people.(I have a personal interest as my father-in-law is from a mixed village in that area which is a lovely part of Cyprus.We know the family from Turkey who now live in the old family house and as the surviving members of my in-laws family went to live abroad before 1974, they go to see the place when they come to Cyprus.But none of them have any plans to return to live there,even if there was a solution and since 2004,the present inhabitants have made renovations and extensions to the house and told me when I last went there that they have no plans to leave either,but would have done in 2004 when the idea of giving 10.000 euros to each family that agreed to return to Turkey was being discussed.)

So more logic and serious reflection and less knee-jerking is clearly a far better way to make progress!