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[cannedmoose]

And oh by the way, those bases will be British ....... until hell freezes over.

I think everyone knows that JAA.

[cannedmoose]

Are you asking for hell? Don't complain when you get it.

Come on Piratis. I know we'd all prefer it if they weren't there (me included), but it's pretty obvious that there's nothing that can be done to force their dissolution.

[Piratis]

Come on Piratis. I know we'd all prefer it if they weren't there (me included), but it's pretty obvious that there's nothing that can be done to force their dissolution.

Of course it can.

In some years we can give those bases to the Chinese, the upcoming world power.

[cannedmoose]

In some years we can give those bases to the Chinese, the upcoming world power.

So you'd prefer to replace one repressive world power with another then? And to think I thought you wanted sovereignty.

[MicAtCyp]

And oh by the way, those bases will be British ....... until hell freezes over.

Any references from your fortune telling books? Nostradamus,Solomonique, Apokalypse,... anything will suffice.Take your time, there is no hurry.

[JustAnAmerican]

And oh by the way, those bases will be British ....... until hell freezes over.

Any references from your fortune telling books? Nostradamus,Solomonique, Apokalypse,... anything will suffice.Take your time, there is no hurry.

No fortune telling books, just common sense.

You need to understand a basic US policy. We had this 1970-1980s belief in forwardly deployed troops. This is where we keep 100,000 troops outside of the US just in case a “what if” problem arises. In the 90s, we moved to “forward projecting troops concept”. This is where we use the bases, forwardly stage equipment; so that all we need to do is just add troops.

The SBAs to you are like our Guantanamo Base to the US on Cuban soil. The training area, the ability to forward deploy troops, the use of the runways, the property is just TOOOOOOO valuable to ever be given up. The US’s NSA (National Security Agency) or the UK’s version of the same organization would never allow the loss of the bases. It would violate the ability or the “forward projection” concept.

No disrespect intended. Gibraltar, Guantanamo, Vicenza, and Suda Bay the US and the UK will be there for a long, long time.

[DigenisAkritas]

The TC's don't really seem to give a shit if a unified Cyprus becomes a US - UK Military Protecterate.

[brother]

The TC's don't really seem to give a shit if a unified Cyprus becomes a US - UK Military Protecterate.

Its not the TC do not give a s**t but the fact is the u.k and u.s are there for as long as they want to be, and as long as they are super powers there is not much we can do about it especially today after the ROC minister ivacou was the first E.U country to sign a deal that the U.S can stop any cypriot vessel and board and check it.

[DigenisAkritas]

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[MicAtCyp]

In the 90s, we moved to "forward projecting troops concept". This is where we use the bases, forwardly stage equipment; so that all we need to do is just add troops.

Forward projecting to where??? Shall I assume the answer is to the "oil reserves" ?

The SBAs to you are like our Guantanamo Base to the US on Cuban soil. The training area, the ability to forward deploy troops, the use of the runways, the property is just TOOOOOOO valuable to ever be given up. The US’s NSA (National Security Agency) or the UK’s version of the same organization would never allow the loss of the bases. It would violate the ability or the "forward projection" concept.

OK I can understand the value of the Investment you did (through the British) in those bases.But is that really soooo huge that you can never abandon? Are they really so useful in your forward projection strategy? Do you know how many American bases there are around Cyprus which are much much nearer to your points of interest? Just tell me one time the British bases were really indispensable to you in this respect. In each and every point of interest around the world be it the Gulf, the African Continent, the Middle East, Russia, Europe there are at least 3 nearer bases to support your forward projection policy. Cyprus is too far away from everything.

My only personal problems with the British Bases are actually a) the provocing statements of "they are ours, they are British soil, they are absolutely sovereign" and all that nationalistic stuff. b) the Echelon antenas that most propably will cause massive incidents of cancer,and c) the money the British owe us. Not very difficult to settle anyway.

I really don't see any valid reason for the Bases to be here other than for the Echelon system. But hey if you beleive the Bases worth the money you will be spending on them, no problem go ahead spend it. You need to remember however your huge external dept (most of it due to Europe) and the fact that the whole budget of your defense Ministry is ALL coming from borrowed money year in year out. Careful not to collapse like the USSR collapsed when it became totally impossible to maintain its military built up.

Just don't cause us problems in our efforts to solve the Cyprob. Stay neutral and help possitively. Press the ones who need to yield not the victims.And certianly do not cause another mess like the Anan Plan. And yes we will be good boys the solution will include a re-confirmation of your bases status. Hands down from our oil and seashell rights though.Your companies will be taking it out anyway so you will be cheating as much as you want directly from the source like you do now in Iraq.
Deal?