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[YFred]

Wise words from Mr LC. I wonder if GCs will ever wake up. Understand the responsibility of the part they have played and reach out to their TC cousins with understanding rather than blame. We wait in anticipation that the pigs may fly.

It’s time for Greek Cypriots to take part of the blame
By Loucas Charalambous

“THE CYPRUS problem will be solved only when the Greek Cypriots admit and assume their responsibilities for its creation.”

The above observation, by university lecturer Alexis Heraclides, is probably the wisest view ever expressed in relation to the Cyprus problem. Its correctness is proved on a daily basis.

Because Greek Cypriots, with their behaviour, show that not only have they not recognised our side’s share of the blame but the denial of this gets worse with the passing of time. The obdurate refusal of the average Greek Cypriot to accept any blame for the mess we are in features triumphantly in the media every day.

The story about the 1974 execution of the five Greek Cypriot prisoners, whose remains were recently identified through DNA testing, provided a perfect opportunity for an exhibition of this mentality. Everyone urged the government to report Turkey to the world and demand the setting up of war tribunals to try the Turkish government.

It is as if we did not know for 35 years now that all these unfortunate individuals listed as missing by our state were dead, many of them having been captured and killed either by the Turkish troops or the Turkish Cypriots. Now everyone is pretending to be surprised – our state, political parties and newspapers – by the revelations about the execution of prisoners.

But had not Rauf Denktash officially informed us, many years ago, that there had been executions of prisoners in 1974? Why are we surprised now?

It is important to note that while everyone is calling for the setting up of tribunals to try Turkey for the execution of prisoners and civilians, nobody is prepared to admit that we were responsible for similar ‘achievements’ during the 1963-74 period, another decade of bloodshed.

In fact, when one journalist dared to refer to a similar crime by our side, all the super-patriots of the country, led by the super-patriots of Phileleftheros, turned on him. According to our most patriotic newspaper, all Turks and the Turkish state were responsible for all the killings of Greek Cypriots, while if there had been some ‘acts of extremism’ (this is how it refers to the killings of Turkish Cypriots), a few ‘extremist elements’ were to blame.

The super-patriots of Phileleftheros had never heard Nicos Koshis, the chief of staff of the Akritas Organisation, stating on television that the late Archbishop Makarios had set up the illegal organisation and had chaired meetings at the presidential palace, during which he personally gave instructions about its running and operations. It was the ‘fighters’ of this organisation who were killing Turkish Cypriot civilians and dumping them down wells in 1963.

A few days ago, on a radio show, a woman caller, was hysterically insisting that all that happened in 1963 was that Makarios proposed the amendment of 13 points of constitution for debate and the “Turks got up and left”. This is the only version of history that exists for most Greek Cypriots.

For as long as Greek Cypriots carry on living with their illusions, based on official myths, they will never be able to accept their share of the blame and the Cyprus problem would never be solved, as Heraclides correctly observed.
Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

[Nikitas]

Obviously Greek Cypriots bear part of the blame. Christofias has stated so publicly and I heard him and seen him on CYBC say so more than once. He went further and stated that we have treated our TC compatriots inhumanely in the past and that we exhibited a racist attitude. These are facts that can be easily checked out.


Another fact that can be checked out is that Iraklidis is an intellectual clown. He writed for a major Greek daily and his writings can be used to verify his quality as a historian and analyst. As for Cyprus, he knows nothing, but pretends he knows a lot.

[zan]

Obviously Greek Cypriots bear part of the blame. Christofias has stated so publicly and I heard him and seen him on CYBC say so more than once. He went further and stated that we have treated our TC compatriots inhumanely in the past and that we exhibited a racist attitude. These are facts that can be easily checked out.


Another fact that can be checked out is that Iraklidis is an intellectual clown. He writed for a major Greek daily and his writings can be used to verify his quality as a historian and analyst. As for Cyprus, he knows nothing, but pretends he knows a lot.

have not read anything by the man you are referring to but by what yard stick are you calling him a clown....It is quite clear that the Greek side has duped its people into a false history and a holier than thou attitude attitude so that ANYONE with a different story to tell is called a fool and a lier.....Maybe the great Greek dynasty can claim him in years to come as a GREEK hero that was lost in his time...

[YFred]

Obviously Greek Cypriots bear part of the blame. Christofias has stated so publicly and I heard him and seen him on CYBC say so more than once. He went further and stated that we have treated our TC compatriots inhumanely in the past and that we exhibited a racist attitude. These are facts that can be easily checked out.


Another fact that can be checked out is that Iraklidis is an intellectual clown. He writed for a major Greek daily and his writings can be used to verify his quality as a historian and analyst. As for Cyprus, he knows nothing, but pretends he knows a lot.

So are you saying that all GCs are aware that the President of RoC setting up an organisation to kill innocent TCs and dump them in wells. How does that fit with your sailor pal's ideology of tru justice and true democracy.
Your sailor pall, nevermind pissing in the TC sea, he can roll it up and shove it where he will enjoy it.

[Get Real!]

“THE CYPRUS problem will be solved only when the Greek Cypriots admit and assume their responsibilities for its creation.”

Before this “university lecturer” assumes and brags that… the moment some Greek Cypriots confess to their wrong-doings, Turkey will withdraw her 40,000 odd troops and respect the sovereignty of Cyprus, he might want to first get that in writing with Erdogan’s signature!

As ridiculous as this “strategy” may sound, we’re willing to try anything professor!

[YFred]

“THE CYPRUS problem will be solved only when the Greek Cypriots admit and assume their responsibilities for its creation.”

Before this “university lecturer” assumes and brags that… the moment some Greek Cypriots confess to their wrong-doings, Turkey will withdraw her 40,000 odd troops and respect the sovereignty of Cyprus, he might want to first get that in writing with Erdogan’s signature!

As ridiculous as this “strategy” may sound, we’re willing to try anything professor!

You are just a plonker and you know it.

[Get Real!]

Loucas Charalambous: “The above observation, by university lecturer Alexis Heraclides, is probably the wisest view ever expressed in relation to the Cyprus problem. Its correctness is proved on a daily basis.”

I know you read this forum Loucas, and I’m sure you’ll be pleased to hear that I consider you as wise as this professor!

[zan]

“THE CYPRUS problem will be solved only when the Greek Cypriots admit and assume their responsibilities for its creation.”

Before this “university lecturer” assumes and brags that… the moment some Greek Cypriots confess to their wrong-doings, Turkey will withdraw her 40,000 odd troops and respect the sovereignty of Cyprus, he might want to first get that in writing with Erdogan’s signature!

As ridiculous as this “strategy” may sound, we’re willing to try anything professor!

Which "sovereignty" are you talking about.....The Zurich agreement by any chance

[Get Real!]

Which "sovereignty" are you talking about.....The Zurich agreement by any chance

The one acknowledged and approved by the UN.

[zan]

Which "sovereignty" are you talking about.....The Zurich agreement by any chance

The one acknowledged and approved by the UN.

The same Un that gave us the Annan plan?....Of course they gave you the option to retract what you signed in the first place