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[YFred]

By the way Lucas… do you suppose that this brilliant strategy could also work the other way round?

If Turkish Cypriots were to confess their wrong-doings would they finally get a recognized TC state?

Man… I’m starting to have premature ejaculations!

Confess your sins o’ Cypriots, and you shall be redeemed!!!

Could this nutty professor be God in disguise?

So Game Boy, now that you accept your responsibilities, how do you feel about your Muhtar Makarios setting up death squads for killing innocent TCs, totally under internation law with the blessing of true human rights and true democracy and true justice?

My good man, I accept 100% of the responsibility and am ready for your reporters to take down all the details!

Now tell me when your fine Turkish troops will be on their way… thanks in advance!

You are almost there. Now sign on the dotted line just below the TC red lines and I will personally remove every single last one of the 40000.

[Get Real!]

By the way Lucas… do you suppose that this brilliant strategy could also work the other way round?

If Turkish Cypriots were to confess their wrong-doings would they finally get a recognized TC state?

Man… I’m starting to have premature ejaculations!

Confess your sins o’ Cypriots, and you shall be redeemed!!!

Could this nutty professor be God in disguise?

So Game Boy, now that you accept your responsibilities, how do you feel about your Muhtar Makarios setting up death squads for killing innocent TCs, totally under internation law with the blessing of true human rights and true democracy and true justice?

My good man, I accept 100% of the responsibility and am ready for your reporters to take down all the details!

Now tell me when your fine Turkish troops will be on their way… thanks in advance!

You are almost there. Now sign on the dotted line just below the TC red lines and I will personally remove every single last one of the 40000.

Scribble, scribble, scribble… there you go!

Every one quick! Ring the church bells… the Cyprus problem has been solved!!!

[Piratis]

Of course GCs have "part of the blame". The question is how much of the blame each side has?

Lets see:

Turks:

1) The ones who started all conflicts and wars in Cyprus (1571 - 1821, 1958, 1974) and invaded multiple times our island.

2) They killed 10s of thousands of Cypriots.

3) They collaborated with other foreign Imperialists in order to deny to the Cypriot people their freedom and self-determination.

4) Today they illegally occupy 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus, continue to bring Turkish Settlers and continue to commit a vast number of human rights violations.

Cypriots:

1) In the conflicts and wars which the Turks started, they fought back killing some 100s of Turks.

So how much blame each side has?

Piratis, the article is for you and the likes of you.

Does the article refute anything from what I said? Are you willing to accept the far bigger part of blame that rests with the Turkish side?

[Get Real!]

How can I ever thank the professor…

[umit07]

By the way Lucas… do you suppose that this brilliant strategy could also work the other way round?

If Turkish Cypriots were to confess their wrong-doings would they finally get a recognized TC state?

Man… I’m starting to have premature ejaculations!

Confess your sins o’ Cypriots, and you shall be redeemed!!!

Could this nutty professor be God in disguise?

GR what is your problem? Anytime such articles appear, you start to spout total crap! Take it seriously for once.

[barouti]

Even if there was no EOKA, Grivas and Enosi for the Turks to use as Exhibits A, B and C to place the blame entirely on Greece, Turkey would have nevertheless still pushed for Taksim. Because once they had their eyes on northern Cyprus in the 1950’s (it was part of an expansionist policy) there was nothing going to stop their implementation of partition. They just like to make themselves look like the good guys and why they insist on referring to their invasion of 1974 as their “Operation of Peace, Love and Reconciliation” or with whatever other state-sanctioned Orwellian terminology.

Because even today Turkey continues to have its eyes set on Greek land, not only in the Aegean but also Western Thrace. Re the latter, just like their massacre claims against the Turks in Cyprus during the 60’s and 70’s, they’re creating another artificial scenario of terror for the “Turks” in Thraki as a pretext for possible intervention. And this isn’t Greek state “propaganda”; it’s straight from the horse’s mouth:

...provide a pretext for forcing out members of the Turkish Minority from Western Thrace.

Last, but most important, to utilise the Pontus element as a pretext in the de-Turkification process of Western Thrace

Indeed, in the effort to change the demographical composition of the intensely Turkish populated Western Thrace, the Greek government settled in Western Thrace 120,000 "Pontian Greeks"

In line with the Greek plan of forcing the Turks out of the region...

http://www.mfa.gov.tr/setting-the-re...-turkey.en.mfa

[Get Real!]

By the way Lucas… do you suppose that this brilliant strategy could also work the other way round?

If Turkish Cypriots were to confess their wrong-doings would they finally get a recognized TC state?

Man… I’m starting to have premature ejaculations!

Confess your sins o’ Cypriots, and you shall be redeemed!!!

Could this nutty professor be God in disguise?

GR what is your problem? Anytime such articles appear, you start to spout total crap! Take it seriously for once.

Sorry Umit, but the notion that upon one side’s confession all would be hunky dory was too much for me to ignore!

[zan]

By the way Lucas… do you suppose that this brilliant strategy could also work the other way round?

If Turkish Cypriots were to confess their wrong-doings would they finally get a recognized TC state?

Man… I’m starting to have premature ejaculations!

Confess your sins o’ Cypriots, and you shall be redeemed!!!

Could this nutty professor be God in disguise?

GR what is your problem? Anytime such articles appear, you start to spout total crap! Take it seriously for once.

Sorry Umit, but the notion that upon one side’s confession all would be hunky dory was too much for me to ignore!

Explains why you shy away from doing so!


The idea is that once you and the "RoC" start to admit to history then we might be willing to listen what you have on your mind......Trying to change history will only gain our distrust......Even more simple than your hair brained thinking..

[Nikitas]

YFred wrote:

"So are you saying that all GCs are aware that the President of RoC setting up an organisation to kill innocent TCs and dump them in wells. How does that fit with your sailor pal's ideology of tru justice and true democracy."

Giong through Packard's book a second time now and it casts an interesting light on the actions of the irregular militias on both sides, GC and TC, and their connections with the leadership of the time, Makarios and Kutchuk.

Neither Makarios, nor Dr Kutchuk, had much control over the militias. Both leaders were willing to stop the conflicts, which were not always of the same type or intensity, but could not. Packard details how he often had to go via non official channels to quell fighting.

It is not all as black and white as you want to make it look. And the chucking of bodies in wells went on against both sides. There were GC shepherds shot for no reason in Luugina as there were TC shepherds shot for no reason in Marathovouno (if i recall correcntly).

The tribal leader syndrome, where the local GC or TC strongman acted as local warlord is corroborated by the events that Bir has detailed in his posts. It also checks out with my own experience regarding local toughs who acted autonomously after independence. On the GC side these people walked a thin line between crime and politics and I am sure it was the same on the TC side. Decent people cannot live for very long with no jobs and proper income nor do they walk about the town with a pistol in their belt.

[zan]

YFred wrote:

"So are you saying that all GCs are aware that the President of RoC setting up an organisation to kill innocent TCs and dump them in wells. How does that fit with your sailor pal's ideology of tru justice and true democracy."

Giong through Packard's book a second time now and it casts an interesting light on the actions of the irregular militias on both sides, GC and TC, and their connections with the leadership of the time, Makarios and Kutchuk.

Neither Makarios, nor Dr Kutchuk, had much control over the militias. Both leaders were willing to stop the conflicts, which were not always of the same type or intensity, but could not. Packard details how he often had to go via non official channels to quell fighting.

It is not all as black and white as you want to make it look. And the chucking of bodies in wells went on against both sides. There were GC shepherds shot for no reason in Luugina as there were TC shepherds shot for no reason in Marathovouno (if i recall correcntly).

The tribal leader syndrome, where the local GC or TC strongman acted as local warlord is corroborated by the events that Bir has detailed in his posts. It also checks out with my own experience regarding local toughs who acted autonomously after independence. On the GC side these people walked a thin line between crime and politics and I am sure it was the same on the TC side. Decent people cannot live for very long with no jobs and proper income nor do they walk about the town with a pistol in their belt.

Have you got any links to where Dr Kucuk asked for Taksim??