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[baby-come-fly-with-me]

Mainly because you probably learnt and speak text book English, where as real English has some heavy regional influences, just as Greek, and is how languages develop.

We're discussing written grammar not accents or idiomatic terms. Whichever region you are affiliated to, the same rules apply to the written form of English. It's back to simply using "its" and "it's" and "there" and "their" and "your" and "you're", I guess.

I don't want to be pedantic. So, I'm not referring to the odd misspelling of a word, which we all make, or the occasional omission of an apostrophe. It's the systemic carelessness, even ignorance to what is a beautiful language, which drives me potty. Especially since the main culprits are the Brits who are supposedly wealthy enough to reside over here, with multiple homes and businesses, and really could do with spending some of their "wealth" on educating themselves before they corrupt English for the rest of us.

Anyway ... my rant is over.

Oracle, this is turning into an interesting debate.

In the evolution of the English language, there is an ongoing debate that the dropping of the apostraphe may altogether may become common parlance. Good thing, bad thing? Who knows?

There is also confusion between "their" and "they're", but who knows if this may even evolve to simply "there" in the next hundred years.

In written Greek, not too long ago, there used to be a variety of inflections above the letters including " and ~.

These appear to have all been eradicated - Ignorance or evolution? Evolution.

As for the pronounciation of the letter H (aitch vs haitch) ...

Is this a colloquialism?

it is quite familiar and its a bloody english lesson

I think you will find it's English (capital E), there's your lesson for the day.

Big head, if I were posting to Intillectuals I would be concerned, however I am not so........

[Me Ed]

Mainly because you probably learnt and speak text book English, where as real English has some heavy regional influences, just as Greek, and is how languages develop.

We're discussing written grammar not accents or idiomatic terms. Whichever region you are affiliated to, the same rules apply to the written form of English. It's back to simply using "its" and "it's" and "there" and "their" and "your" and "you're", I guess.

I don't want to be pedantic. So, I'm not referring to the odd misspelling of a word, which we all make, or the occasional omission of an apostrophe. It's the systemic carelessness, even ignorance to what is a beautiful language, which drives me potty. Especially since the main culprits are the Brits who are supposedly wealthy enough to reside over here, with multiple homes and businesses, and really could do with spending some of their "wealth" on educating themselves before they corrupt English for the rest of us.

Anyway ... my rant is over.

Oracle, this is turning into an interesting debate.

In the evolution of the English language, there is an ongoing debate that the dropping of the apostraphe may altogether may become common parlance. Good thing, bad thing? Who knows?

There is also confusion between "their" and "they're", but who knows if this may even evolve to simply "there" in the next hundred years.

In written Greek, not too long ago, there used to be a variety of inflections above the letters including " and ~.

These appear to have all been eradicated - Ignorance or evolution? Evolution.

As for the pronounciation of the letter H (aitch vs haitch) ...

Is this a colloquialism?

it is quite familiar and its a bloody english lesson

I think you will find it's English (capital E), there's your lesson for the day.

Big head, if I were posting to Intillectuals I would be concerned, however I am not so........

Ha ha - resorting to cheap insults. You shouldn't try to spell out words that you don't understand. Intillectuals?

[CBBB]

Mainly because you probably learnt and speak text book English, where as real English has some heavy regional influences, just as Greek, and is how languages develop.

We're discussing written grammar not accents or idiomatic terms. Whichever region you are affiliated to, the same rules apply to the written form of English. It's back to simply using "its" and "it's" and "there" and "their" and "your" and "you're", I guess.

I don't want to be pedantic. So, I'm not referring to the odd misspelling of a word, which we all make, or the occasional omission of an apostrophe. It's the systemic carelessness, even ignorance to what is a beautiful language, which drives me potty. Especially since the main culprits are the Brits who are supposedly wealthy enough to reside over here, with multiple homes and businesses, and really could do with spending some of their "wealth" on educating themselves before they corrupt English for the rest of us.

Anyway ... my rant is over.

Oracle, this is turning into an interesting debate.

In the evolution of the English language, there is an ongoing debate that the dropping of the apostraphe may altogether may become common parlance. Good thing, bad thing? Who knows?

There is also confusion between "their" and "they're", but who knows if this may even evolve to simply "there" in the next hundred years.

In written Greek, not too long ago, there used to be a variety of inflections above the letters including " and ~.

These appear to have all been eradicated - Ignorance or evolution? Evolution.

As for the pronounciation of the letter H (aitch vs haitch) ...

Is this a colloquialism?

it is quite familiar and its a bloody english lesson

I think you will find it's English (capital E), there's your lesson for the day.

Big head, if I were posting to Intillectuals I would be concerned, however I am not so........

Ha ha - resorting to cheap insults. You shouldn't try to spell out words that you don't understand. Intillectuals?

The talking horse has a point!

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

Mainly because you probably learnt and speak text book English, where as real English has some heavy regional influences, just as Greek, and is how languages develop.

We're discussing written grammar not accents or idiomatic terms. Whichever region you are affiliated to, the same rules apply to the written form of English. It's back to simply using "its" and "it's" and "there" and "their" and "your" and "you're", I guess.

I don't want to be pedantic. So, I'm not referring to the odd misspelling of a word, which we all make, or the occasional omission of an apostrophe. It's the systemic carelessness, even ignorance to what is a beautiful language, which drives me potty. Especially since the main culprits are the Brits who are supposedly wealthy enough to reside over here, with multiple homes and businesses, and really could do with spending some of their "wealth" on educating themselves before they corrupt English for the rest of us.

Anyway ... my rant is over.

Oracle, this is turning into an interesting debate.

In the evolution of the English language, there is an ongoing debate that the dropping of the apostraphe may altogether may become common parlance. Good thing, bad thing? Who knows?

There is also confusion between "their" and "they're", but who knows if this may even evolve to simply "there" in the next hundred years.

In written Greek, not too long ago, there used to be a variety of inflections above the letters including " and ~.

These appear to have all been eradicated - Ignorance or evolution? Evolution.

As for the pronounciation of the letter H (aitch vs haitch) ...

Is this a colloquialism?

it is quite familiar and its a bloody english lesson

I think you will find it's English (capital E), there's your lesson for the day.

Big head, if I were posting to Intillectuals I would be concerned, however I am not so........

Ha ha - resorting to cheap insults. You shouldn't try to spell out words that you don't understand. Intillectuals?

The talking horse has a point!

Whatever

[Oracle]

Mainly because you probably learnt and speak text book English, where as real English has some heavy regional influences, just as Greek, and is how languages develop.

We're discussing written grammar not accents or idiomatic terms. Whichever region you are affiliated to, the same rules apply to the written form of English. It's back to simply using "its" and "it's" and "there" and "their" and "your" and "you're", I guess.

I don't want to be pedantic. So, I'm not referring to the odd misspelling of a word, which we all make, or the occasional omission of an apostrophe. It's the systemic carelessness, even ignorance to what is a beautiful language, which drives me potty. Especially since the main culprits are the Brits who are supposedly wealthy enough to reside over here, with multiple homes and businesses, and really could do with spending some of their "wealth" on educating themselves before they corrupt English for the rest of us.

Anyway ... my rant is over.

Oracle, this is turning into an interesting debate.

In the evolution of the English language, there is an ongoing debate that the dropping of the apostraphe may altogether may become common parlance. Good thing, bad thing? Who knows?

There is also confusion between "their" and "they're", but who knows if this may even evolve to simply "there" in the next hundred years.

In written Greek, not too long ago, there used to be a variety of inflections above the letters including " and ~.

These appear to have all been eradicated - Ignorance or evolution? Evolution.

As for the pronounciation of the letter H (aitch vs haitch) ...

Those are all good points and English as it stands today continues to evolve and develop. I think it must reach a limit as to how many rules it can simplify before it loses out on meaning and its prime function of communicating ideas.

I think pronunciation and phonetics can be done away with, especially with globalisation yielding different accents, dialects and even pidgins. There doesn't have to be ONE universally applicable spoken English (BBC or RP), but I do think grammatical rules should be preserved with due consideration to function.

[Oracle]

Too many people learning the english language burns away cultural differences which make the world so interesting. If one speaks multiple languages and can read and write in them one starts to see the world in many more shades.

Most countries faced with English as the second language, have actually seen improved standards with their own cultural languages.

Look at Welsh for example. It's now taught in schools and Wales has become a bilingual country, instead of just using English as it was before the 50s. (Although, I think that may have been due to Welsh being banned by the English till then!).

American movies and TV rule the world some countries don,t even dub their imported TV shows. This is where I put the blame for the change in our speech and the written word as we have all been 'americanised'.

Well it's the Americans we have to thank for spreading English and not the Brits and so their simplified spelling is probably going to seep back into Standard British English.

I do agree though that soon we will have a dominance of multi-lingual speakers worldwide and the UK education system should wake up to the fact.

Exactly! The Brits have a duty to improve their English.

[denizaksulu]

If you read newspapers from some of the 'ex-British Empire' countiries, such as India, they often use an old fashioned English, from the last century, with words that are no longer used elsewhere in the world.

Lana

Also worthy of note is the English Language as spoken by some ex-Colonial Africans. Straight out of the old testament (English vers). Obviously impressed upon them by 'missionaries'.

[Get Real!]

Big head, if I were posting to Intillectuals I would be concerned, however I am not so........

And what a fine exhibit you make for Oracle’s argument.

[CBBB]

Mainly because you probably learnt and speak text book English, where as real English has some heavy regional influences, just as Greek, and is how languages develop.

We're discussing written grammar not accents or idiomatic terms. Whichever region you are affiliated to, the same rules apply to the written form of English. It's back to simply using "its" and "it's" and "there" and "their" and "your" and "you're", I guess.

I don't want to be pedantic. So, I'm not referring to the odd misspelling of a word, which we all make, or the occasional omission of an apostrophe. It's the systemic carelessness, even ignorance to what is a beautiful language, which drives me potty. Especially since the main culprits are the Brits who are supposedly wealthy enough to reside over here, with multiple homes and businesses, and really could do with spending some of their "wealth" on educating themselves before they corrupt English for the rest of us.

Anyway ... my rant is over.

Oracle, this is turning into an interesting debate.

In the evolution of the English language, there is an ongoing debate that the dropping of the apostraphe may altogether may become common parlance. Good thing, bad thing? Who knows?

There is also confusion between "their" and "they're", but who knows if this may even evolve to simply "there" in the next hundred years.

In written Greek, not too long ago, there used to be a variety of inflections above the letters including " and ~.

These appear to have all been eradicated - Ignorance or evolution? Evolution.

As for the pronounciation of the letter H (aitch vs haitch) ...

Is this a colloquialism?

it is quite familiar and its a bloody english lesson

I think you will find it's English (capital E), there's your lesson for the day.

Big head, if I were posting to Intillectuals I would be concerned, however I am not so........

Ha ha - resorting to cheap insults. You shouldn't try to spell out words that you don't understand. Intillectuals?

The talking horse has a point!

Whatever

[Jerry]

It's so easy to use spell check there is no excuse for the errors we make. John Humphrys wrote a book on this very subject titled "Lost for Words". I remember one classic mistake he pointed out concerned a teacher who corrected a student's work with these words: "you should of......" instead of "you should have....".