insan wrote:Simon wrote:zan wrote:Simon wrote:zan wrote:Nikitas wrote:How about the people deprived of their land for 30 or 40 years? If someone moves in on someone else's land they know the score. They are lucky to get anything at all.
The proper place to complain is to those that decided to use these people as pawns in a corrupt game. We do not hear anything about them though. Have you forgiven them to the extent you can now placve the responsibility on the victims?
What was the number of people in the "RoC" in its conception in 1964 Nikitas??? Did you stand still in time and wait for a solution....? I think we can safely say that your population has risen, can we not? Perhaps we should expell all those that came onto the island from that point on but wait...Your population growth has got nothing to do with politics has it....You could have gotten on just fine without them....Are any more coming??? Natural migration you say...ell I say...If you are going to pick a point in time then apply it to both sides....What a nightmare scenario that would be...Would you say that it is impossible??? What you are doing is applying a strategy to apply to only one side and that is not fair. I bet a whole lot of GCs would shit their pants if they were under scrutiny as to whether they are full blown Cypriots or not....A few on this Forum for a start....
Zan, it is extremely insincere to equate small, steady, natural migration into the RoC from all areas of the world, which is consistent with what occurs in any democracy in the world, and the mass migration of Turkish settlers that have taken up stolen land. Turkish settlers outnumber TCs for god's sake! Turkey ensured that it took far more land than was needed (37%) so that it could change the demographics of the island. Turkey knew very well the problem it was creating when carrying out this scheme; they knew very well that GCs would want these settlers removed, but they did it anyway, in order to secure their illegal gains at GCs expense, claiming it is necessary for the settlers to remain on humanitarian grounds. Yet Turkey, by causing this problem, didn't care less about their humanitarian rights, so why should the GCs pay for a problem Turkey created? Let Turkey repatriate and compensate these settlers. They were very easily brought to Cyprus in vast numbers, so they can just as easily be shown the exit.
"Vast" Numbers were needed Simon...Simple as that.....You see it as just a land grabbing issue and whilst I agree that there is room or that theory in the grand scheme of things, it was a battle for survival....Can I ask you what the TC economy and survival chances would have been without this mass migration as opposed to your gradual one? You live by your needs Simon...It helped the "settlers" and it helped the TCs.
Zan, this is just an expedient excuse to mitigate the illegalities of Turkey. Vast numbers were needed to execute Turkey's plan Zan, it's as simple as that. The rest is pie in the sky. Why did Turkey occupy 37% of Cyprus for a population only consisting of 18%? If Turkey had occupied 18%, vast numbers would not have been needed. You may say 18% is not economically viable, but this is nonsense. What is economically viable depends not on size but productivity. The "TRNC" economy is not economically viable as it is anyway, it relies on Turkey, so the 18% could have relied on Turkey until a solution is found, in just the same way. In fact, the 18% would probably have been more economically viable, because it is much more likely that GCs would not have made your isolation so intense if you only occupied the land proportionate to your population size. These are just excuses Zan that you throw in the way to try and convince people to turn away from the reality, but you can't deny what is staring you in the face.
Simon, u forget that in the begining of the British Rule, TCs constituted 1/3 of total population of Cyprus and misapropriated all the lands and properties belonged to Venetians not GCs.
When the emigration of TCs began because of the British rule(1878) and uneasiness of inter communal strife(40s and onward), those TCs who emigrated until 1946 redintegrated the properties/lands they possesed back to evkaf. Until 1946, all properties of TCs had been managed and owned by Evkaf.
http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-3549.html Let's say after 1946 TCs who emigrated sold some percentage of their land to GCs, the private and state land share of TCs can't be less than 30%.
What has any of this got to do with Turkey breaching the Geneva Convention and committing a war crime by bringing illegal settlers to Cyprus on stolen land? You think the above justifies this!?
So you're saying that because the Ottoman Empire brought colonial settlers up to a number consisting of 1/3 of Cyprus in the distant past, Turkey had the right to also act like an imperial power and attempt to repeat the crime?
If TCs left and sold their land, that was their choice. Many GCs did the same thing. This does not give you the right to bring settlers here, place them on stolen land, just to re-boost your population to pre-independence levels! What a joke!!
Any Venetian or Turkish property was only theirs because it had been originally usurped from the Cypriots. If you want to go back to British rule, why stop there, let's go back to before Ottoman rule when you were 0%. Don't play games insan, the population of the respective communities was well known when the RoC became independent in 1960. Turkey committed a war crime in 1974 by trying to alter the demographics and change the dynamics of the problem, pure and simple.
Figures posted on this forum before show that the TCs owned about 16% of the land when the invasion took place. Look back at some of the old threads.
