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[Nickp]

I'd like to focus this post on getting some constructive comments on how to create more favourable conditions to create a Cyprus solution.

Since the division nothing has been achieved apart from one valuable thing. I think the opening of the crossing points have been incredibily valuble and have created more of a sense of a solution as we are not restricted to our parts of the island.

What i propose is for TC's to put forward suggestions of what they would give in for exchange for:

1) Direct Flights
2) Direct Trade

As someone of GC extraction i would propose the following in exchange:

1) Varaosha Returned to it's legal inhabitiants
2) Strict enforcement of no more exploitation of GC land/property.

I would also suggest a reduction in Turkish Troops, maybe this is asking too much but it seems the most logical thing to do as UN troops are reducing their numbers and the Greek side have been clearing land mines on the divide.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

I'd like to focus this post on getting some constructive comments on how to create more favourable conditions to create a Cyprus solution.

Since the division nothing has been achieved apart from one valuable thing. I think the opening of the crossing points have been incredibily valuble and have created more of a sense of a solution as we are not restricted to our parts of the island.

What i propose is for TC's to put forward suggestions of what they would give in for exchange for:

1) Direct Flights
2) Direct Trade

As someone of GC extraction i would propose the following in exchange:

1) Varaosha Returned to it's legal inhabitiants
2) Strict enforcement of no more exploitation of GC land/property.

I would also suggest a reduction in Turkish Troops, maybe this is asking too much but it seems the most logical thing to do as UN troops are reducing their numbers and the Greek side have been clearing land mines on the divide.

Mr Nickp

Done!!!!

If it were in my power to do so I would make the TC's accept this proposal.

I even think our President would do so.

[Nickp]

There you go, some small things that we can agree on that would make such a difference into creating a sense of atmosphere and improving everyone's life.

While some progress is being made we can now spend time on discussing other aspects.

[Main_Source]

Suetonius...in recent talks in Brussels...RoC offered limited international trade and the joint venture of the Famagusta port between GC and TC...for the return of Varosha and a halt on development of GC owned property.

Talat stupidly reject these offers outright...

He said there were already measures inplace that are similar to the prevention of development of GC properties (we all know that is a lie) and he also would not negotiate unless the north got full international trade and full international access flights.

Dont you think he he should have accepted, seeing as RoC offered limited access of ports for international use...there could have been a review in say 3 years...where the limitations on these ports were eased more....but no, Talat seems to have the same character traits as Denktash.

As for Varosha...how unmoral is it to bargain a piece of land you have stolen and not using. These jerks who run 'TRNC' are dangling the homes of Varosha refugees on a thread and they are not even using the land.

You tell me though...with these last round of Brussel talks...who made the more fairer offers??

[Turkey (( *]

I would also suggest a reduction in Turkish Troops, maybe this is asking too much but it seems the most logical thing to do as UN troops are reducing their numbers and the Greek side have been clearing land mines on the divide.

If you think asking the reduction of Turkish troops, which I agree is a bit too much, then you should drop off either varosha or the strict enforcement.

[Main_Source]

Why is the reduction of Turkish troops too much? they are a foreign army...wel all know by international law that they should not be there.

As for this bargaining of Varosha or direct flights or whatever else. It ridiculous, its like haggling at the market.

Turkey's only need for Varosha is as a bargaining chip.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Suetonius...in recent talks in Brussels...RoC offered limited international trade and the joint venture of the Famagusta port between GC and TC...for the return of Varosha and a halt on development of GC owned property.

Talat stupidly reject these offers outright...

He said there were already measures inplace that are similar to the prevention of development of GC properties (we all know that is a lie) and he also would not negotiate unless the north got full international trade and full international access flights.

Dont you think he he should have accepted, seeing as RoC offered limited access of ports for international use...there could have been a review in say 3 years...where the limitations on these ports were eased more....but no, Talat seems to have the same character traits as Denktash.

As for Varosha...how unmoral is it to bargain a piece of land you have stolen and not using. These jerks who run 'TRNC' are dangling the homes of Varosha refugees on a thread and they are not even using the land.

You tell me though...with these last round of Brussel talks...who made the more fairer offers??

Mr Main-Source

Mr Nickp made an offer without condition. That is to say No Joint Venture in Famagusta port, The GC' already have I believe two ports, Larnaca and Limasol. Was not Mr Pap "Toying" with Mr T?? What do you need another port for??

Varosha was never "Occupied" because it was always going to be a key part of any settlement. Unfortunately this settlement has taken a little longer than expected.

The development going on here pisses me off hugely. Not from any guilt about building on someone elses land, but from the noise , dust and primarily the destruction of the Environment.

The GC's have managed to create their concrete jungles in the South. As , I think it was Mikkie 2 who pointed out that 70% of growth potential is now in North. Obviously a few of my countrymen feel that we need concrete jungles too.

I do not believe the Govt will do anything to stop this development.

I do believe had the EU been able to donate the 300 M Euros then it would have had a say in how it was to be used and we might have escaped some of this "development".

Like it or not we are going to be here for a very lomg time to come.

I do not think there will be an Annan VI on the table in the forseeable future , but what I do see is a kind of de Facto recognition of TRNC.

The GC's have never "needed" an agreement or settlement. International law was on their side, They were the recognised govt. of the whole island. they had the tourists, the Economy, the off shore banks and the bulk of the international aid.

For a long time I'm sure it was felt that we could be starved out. As if we were under siege.

Whatever her faults, Turkey has kept us economically viable and under her thumb. When she says jump, we ask "How high?".

One does not bite the hand that feeds one.

The tide has turned. Since the referendum International opinion is on our side.

RoC is seen as the tail wagging the dog.

We have waited for 40 years for rcognition.

We can wait a little longer yet.

[Khan]

My suggestion would be:

Direct flights and direct trade for TRNC in return for opening Turkeys ports to South (worth some $2bn in trade) and a reduction in Turkish troops.

[Nickp]

Suetonius...in recent talks in Brussels...RoC offered limited international trade and the joint venture of the Famagusta port between GC and TC...for the return of Varosha and a halt on development of GC owned property.

Talat stupidly reject these offers outright...

He said there were already measures inplace that are similar to the prevention of development of GC properties (we all know that is a lie) and he also would not negotiate unless the north got full international trade and full international access flights.

Dont you think he he should have accepted, seeing as RoC offered limited access of ports for international use...there could have been a review in say 3 years...where the limitations on these ports were eased more....but no, Talat seems to have the same character traits as Denktash.

As for Varosha...how unmoral is it to bargain a piece of land you have stolen and not using. These jerks who run 'TRNC' are dangling the homes of Varosha refugees on a thread and they are not even using the land.

You tell me though...with these last round of Brussel talks...who made the more fairer offers??

I didn't realise this had happend and seems like a reasonable offer, at most i'm sure Talat could have tweaked the offer to compromise rarther than demanding all his wants.

Remember, were trying to improve relations/atmosphere and our daily life that would help create a better basis for a solution. I feel something like this could signficantly help.

The more sophisticated details of full international trade and flights could be as part of a longer term overall solution. But in the mean time limited flights and trade is better than nothing at all. The return of Varosha would also ease bitterness and create a sense of progress and maybe even a new dynamic in the way of the thinking of GC's.

It's just means someone having the political will to make such a decision.

[Main_Source]

Remember, were trying to improve relations/atmosphere and our daily life that would help create a better basis for a solution. I feel something like this could signficantly help.

I got no probelm with TC in my daily life. I got TC friends and I dont see them as puppets of the Turkish government, like 'TRNC' is.

Mr Nickp made an offer without condition. That is to say No Joint Venture in Famagusta port, The GC' already have I believe two ports, Larnaca and Limasol. Was not Mr Pap "Toying" with Mr T?? What do you need another port for??

Why dont we need another port? If the demand is there and it creates more jobs..then why not? Are you trying to find an negative point in a positive gesture, just for the sake of it?

Besides, your recognition is our ethnic cleansing. GC were living in the north of Cyprus for 3,500 years before the invasion.