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[cannedmoose]

Thanks for your constructive response MicAtCyp, I appreciate your insights into the army world, I'm sure it hasn't changed a great deal since your time, so I'm sure much of what you said remains valid. I'm just off to university now, so I don't have time for a substantive response, my thesis is looking at the effect of European Union accession on Cypriot politics (not related to the Cyprus problem), i.e. how they are positioned on the issue, how this positioning has evolved, if the political system is being 'decorporatised' etc. I'm also looking at the impact of the process on Turkish Cypriot politics, as arguably you could say that accession has affected politics in the north to an even greater extent than in the south.

Anyway, have to rush, have a good day my friend.

[brother]

Found this interesting article but i am not sure if its just hot air or genuine development, opinions please

AKEL admits intensive talks must continue to bridge gaps on Annan plan


LEFT wing AKEL and the Turkish Cypriot Republican Turkish Party (RTP) said yesterday that intensive talks in the political arena must continue with a view to reaching common ground and bridging the gaps in the Annan plan.

Delegations from the two parties led by their respective leaders Demetris Chriatofias and Ferdi Sabit Soyer met yesterday at AKEL headquarters for almost three hours.
Speaking after the meeting, Chriatofias said AKEL was in favour of a Cyprus settlement as soon as possible on the basis of a bizonal, bicommunal federation.
Soyer agreed and added that no solution could replace a comprehensive settlement.
He said following the Greek Cypriot rejection of the Annan plan it was everyone's duty to continue the negotiations in order to produce a ‘yes’.

Christofias said the two delegations had agreed to continue reviewing the various aspects of the Annan plan on which there were different views.

”We've come to the conclusion that the Annan plan will provide the basis for the further discussion on the level of parties and, we believe, also on the level of the leaders of the communities for the settlement of the Cyprus problem,” Christofias said.

“Both parties will work so that such a dialogue will take place the soonest possible because they believe that we must join our powers and our efforts for a settlement the soonest possible,” said Christofias.

“We ascertain the passing of time consolidates the status quo and we are against this consolidation,” he added.

Speaking through an interpreter, Soyer referred to the recent meeting between the Prime Ministers of Greece and Turkey Costas Karamanlis and Recep Tayyip Erdogan, saying they had taken a step “for the further co-operation between the two countries.”
Soyer said AKEL and his party were aiming for a fundamental goal and that was to “reach a common accepted solution for our homeland the soonest possible”.

“In this way, we want the climate which poisons the relations of Greek and Turkey due to the Cyprus problem to stop existing,” he said. “There must be no euro-division in Cyprus. Unification in Cyprus must take place on the basis of political equality. This development will also influence very positively Turkey’s European course and by this way a climate of peace will be formed in Europe among the people of Greece, Turkey and Cyprus.”

[Othellos]

Found this interesting article but i am not sure if its just hot air or genuine development, opinions please

Well, there was a meeting yesterday between Christofias and Soyer, if this is what you are asking. An article similar to what u post above was published today in a GC daily. I am not sure if such a meeting alone can be described as a "development".

O.

[Dhavlos]

Well, you say that, but in england, when you have 'greek schools' organised by the church etc. it is hard for them to not be influencial, even if it is indirect. Often, the church would celebrate days concerning Greek history(25march etc.). Also for celebrations, we used to sing songs praising EOKA etc... In a way, although children are not told by the church directly, the atmosphere that surrounds them (at least in UK wiv greek schools) is predominantly anti-turk/tc.

i know this is a generalisation, and not true in cases...but it is relevent.

I actually agree with you about the situation in England. I hope you are not offended but the general opinion we have here in Cyprus is that the expats got a sort of cultural fixation to the 50s. What you have there as a young generation is what your parents had here 50 years ago. Strong ties with the church, Eoka beleifs etc. I don't know why is that, I can only assume that there is a feeling of loneliness among the expats in their new environmen- they feel foreigners and they have no other way to fill this sentimental gap, than stick together among them and also stick to the traditions and beleifs they had before emmigrating.

Yeh, we know that the cypriots call us expats 'charlies'.
I think the reason we are so 'behind' is that when our grand/parents moved to england, they wanted to preserve the culture, so that we never 'forgot' who we are etc...
As most cypriots moved over during the 60's, the culture is almost preserved to that time period.

[detailer]

I actually agree with you about the situation in England. I hope you are not offended but the general opinion we have here in Cyprus is that the expats got a sort of cultural fixation to the 50s. What you have there as a young generation is what your parents had here 50 years ago. Strong ties with the church, Eoka beleifs etc. I don't know why is that, I can only assume that there is a feeling of loneliness among the expats in their new environmen- they feel foreigners and they have no other way to fill this sentimental gap, than stick together among them and also stick to the traditions and beleifs they had before emmigrating.

Absolutely same for TC in London as well.

[MicAtCyp]

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[MicAtCyp]

MicAtCyp congratualtions so you can reply in a civlized fashion without belittling and scarcastic remarks, that all I ask of you.

VP I can do both you know!
I decided I will just point politely to your provocations from now on, than attack you. After all I may end up wearing bells in the end.
However you do provoke a lot in my opinion especially on sentimental matters.
Anyway I am glad we agreed on some process, although unfortunately nothing seems to be moving regarding the Cyprob.

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my thesis is looking at the effect of European Union accession on Cypriot politics (not related to the Cyprus problem), i.e. how they are positioned on the issue, how this positioning has evolved, if the political system is being 'decorporatised' etc. I'm also looking at the impact of the process on Turkish Cypriot politics, as arguably you could say that accession has affected politics in the north to an even greater extent than in the south.

I think when you present it to the committee to get your PhD they will definetely ask you some questions of the implications to the Cyprob. One can never tell what those people can sometimes think to ask...

Anyway you too have a good day/or evening.

[cannedmoose]

I think when you present it to the committee to get your PhD they will definetely ask you some questions of the implications to the Cyprob. One can never tell what those people can sometimes think to ask...

I agree. Naturally the 'national issue' is a huge part of Cypriot politics so it does play a part in my study, but I'm deliberately staying away from politics as related to the Cyprus problem, because it's been/is being done to death. So in my study, the Cyprob mostly comes into things through the 'corporatisation' of GC politics (meaning that on that single issue, there exists a virtual consensus, to which political parties feel bound, and through their involvement in the National Council, they are all involved in developing a consensus position... it's hard to explain this in less than 1,000 words so forgive me if that hasn't come across accurately).

I have my end of 2nd year panel in late September, so that will be the opportunity for them to scrutinise my approach, as you said, I'm expecting lots of Cyprob questions - why aren't you concentrating on the Cyprob etc.

Anyway you too have a good day/or evening.

Efxaristo, kalispera sas re

[Dhavlos]

sounds like fun
yawn!!

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

VP I can do both you know!
I decided I will just point politely to your provocations from now on, than attack you. After all I may end up wearing bells in the end.
However you do provoke a lot in my opinion especially on sentimental matters.
Anyway I am glad we agreed on some process, although unfortunately nothing seems to be moving regarding the Cyprob.

Im glad that you have taken this decision as attacking my ideas and me personally and I you gets us absoulutely nowhere and I would have never responded to any of your posts.
All it took was a few polite and constructive words to break the deadlock between us, this imo is what we needed in the Cyprus issue is we dont talk to each other then we have no chance of resolving anything.

I for my part will try to be more sensative towards issues which are sensative to GCs.

Nothing will get moiving with regards a solution until our block head leaders get around the table.

The only thing now for us is the English and EU presidency, will they apply pressure for direct trade and financial aid, thats what the papers say today. The American are also cooking something with regards to taking steps with regards to removal od isolation. That why I feel time is not working in Tassos's favour.