Simon
VP, the idea I have of you is one built over years of reading your posts. If you are now saying you support all of the above, then are you saying that your only concern is Turkey's guarantee? You say that GCs have every right to have their concerns about Turkey addressed, but you are not addressing them. You are simply demanding, and then you state that we are inflexible. We are not denying you your right to security. But we want to ensure our independence this time away from anachronistic guarantees that are no longer necessary. Your safeguards are written into law, just like everybody elses.
Simon obvioulsy you have read but not understood where I have been coming from, my main concerns are security and power sharing the rest can be sorted. I did try to address the GCs concerns about security by not denyingthem the right to choose who ever they wish as their guarantors yet again you choose to ignore this fact becuase it doesnt suit your ultimate goal. Your claim for "independence" this time sounds like you want to be given the free hand to do as you wish to TCs, and turn the whole island into a GC state with TCs reduced to minority status. When will you graps the idea that we will never allow this.
VP, we have stated that we will accept a BBF. This is a clear compromise. The only reason nothing has been agreed is because you do not want a federation, you want a confederation with a very weak central government. Essentially you want two separate nations held together by the most tenuous of bonds. You mention the AP, but you just told me you would agree for free movement of people, and yet the Annan Plan did not even allow for this! The AP was not a federation VP! It was far too heavily weighted for the TCs, hence such an overwhelming majority of GCs rejected it.
You may feel that BBF is a compromise but your type of BBf doe snot match ours so in effect you are not compromising you are trying to force a version wherebyy in future you can use your numerical advanatge to take control of the both states and do as you wish again brushing us to one side. You will see any plan that is out forward the GCs will reject as long as there are elements which do not fall in line with your ultimate goal of taking control of the whole island.
The RoC could in fact suspend its citizenship rights for any citizen who is committing acts of treason. It is very easy to argue that this is exactly what many TCs are doing. However, I would not advocate this because it would destroy any goodwill, but I'm just pointing out to you that the GCs have in fact embarked upon many measures of goodwill for the TCs and are trying to give the TCs many incentives to return to the RoC and reject illegality.
Feel free to do so tomorrow if you can, you would face an international backlash that would mean that your mask has dropped and never again could you represent the TCs, which you claim are your citizens and therefore have to provide the basic concessions in order to prove the point. How many Tcs exactly do you know the numbers and who they really are? fugetives? gypsies? tax evadors? treasonists? GC arse lickers?
Both sides are guilty VP, so how does this give you the right to ethnically cleanse the indigenous population and steal their property? This is where you are criminals, and the world has recognised this by not recognising the "TRNC" and stating that the property rights of GCs have not been extinguished in the north. The world has certainly not rushed to your aid because it can see you are guilty. The UN has confirmed this by calling for Turkish troops to withdraw more than once, and declaring the "TRNC" as legally invalid.
I dont exactly see the world rushing to your aid either does this mean you share the guilt and they recognize this by not doing anything to make Turkey leave Cyprus. We have the right to survival first no matter whos land we are on, you messed up big time with your enosis dream and you are now paying the price and wiill continue to do so unless we can agree a solution that both sides can commit to, only then will the Turkish Army leave.
These aren't compromises VP. This is accepting that you are under the law like everybody else. GCs are the legal majority all over Cyprus, so you cannot deny them a say in the island's future. Turkish troops have no right to be here (except those allowed under the 1960 Agreements). And you will not be second class citizens, you will have as much right as anybody else. So what you are saying VP, is that your compromise is accepting the law. Well I'm sorry VP, this this is not a compromise as in the long run, you have no choice!
This is where you are wrong because its not the law we are afraid of but who adminsters it, the GC majority have shown in the past their brand of application and therefore cannot be trusted to have the power that will allow them to manipulate discriminate and persecute the TCs ever again. It is for this reason why the TA arrived and why they will stay until a structure is put forward to guarantee our place in a united cyprus where Gcs cannot brush aside TCs all in the name of the "we are the majority" so we do as we please.
The "TRNC" is recognised only by the country that helped create it. The fact that it is not recognised by the world proves that the law is on our side. Recognition will not come for you because your "state" has already been declared as invalid. Your only option is to negotiate a solution. This is going to require Talat and Turkey to allow Talat to be far more flexible than he is being. As far as I'm aware, the TCs will have some kind of veto, so I fail to see how GCs can dominate you, which is something you keep repeating. The biggest issues are properties, settlers and guarantees. This is where TCs need to show some flexibility and accept the rule of law.
Recognition or not, the current state of affairs is much preferred to what the GCs are offering otherwise we would have all moved south. Veto can you please clarify we have heard nothing of the sort in fact the system demanded by the GCs are wide open to manipulation that would leave us exposed to hostile takeover of seats by GCs in the north state therefore handing over the whole island to the GCs, this is what we have to stop by demanding safeguards and guarantees that will never allow this to happen.
The 2 major issues you refer to should be dealt with as follows;
Property everyone has the right to return where possible or receive compensation where not.
Settlers anyone who has lived on the island for more than 10 years can stay.
Guarantees, Turkey for the TCs and whomever the GCs want.
What if Turkey never joins the EU? What if France, Germany and the Netherlands refuses? You will not be signing your own death warrant VP because nobody is out to kill you. We do not want to deny you security, but we also do not want you to deny ours, by inviting a killing machine like Turkey back to Cyprus. This is why we say that if you insist on a guarantee, (I would be happy without one entirely) let's make it a neutral one which can protect all Cypriots, not one which could cause untold destruction to Cyprus once more.
I personally could only accept Turkey to be a guarantor if it could ONLY act in unison with Britain and Greece, or the EU and UN. The GCs could never agree to giving Turkey the power to act unilaterally again. Even then, any powers must only be temporary. This way, the GCs will not be slaughtered like last time.
You say you do not want to deny me my security and in the same breath you tell me you cant have Turkey but another alternative we all know are a bunch of incompetents and that we will never trust. But I say to address your concerns choose whom ever you want we will accept them and you then say we dent you your right of security.
You are contradicting yourself. You say we should ask the EU for alternative measures against the Turkish threat, but then in the same breath you state that the EU is useless. The only alternative measure I can see is allowing Turkey to intervene only with the EU's permission, and with Turkey acting in unison with the EU. After say 10 years, Turkey's rights shall expire. This is the type of thing that I could personally accept. This should be more than enough time to enable you to build up your trust for the GCs.
Im not contradicting myself you have clearly not understood thats why you think that way, I suggest the EU for you as you trust them we dont. The expiration should ı still believe be in line with Turkey entry into the EU as it would also act as an incentive not to block their progress after getting what you want.
VP, the north of Cyprus does not belong to you, this is the point. No part of Cyprus belongs exclusively to TCs. This is something you fail to understand. This is why you are currently acting like thieves, selling property to corrupt Brits that isn't yours to sell. We cannot exploit our own island VP, GCs only want what is best for Cyprus now. Like I said before, if GCs and TCs put Cyprus first, there is no reason for conflict. As a people, you have the right to live in Cyprus peacefully, just as the GCs do, and once you return to legality, I am sure this could be achieved, just as many TCs live in the south peacefully today.
Ill try and make this simple, who owns Cyprus as a whole? is it the same as the piece of land I own back in my village?
Once you anser those questions try and work out why we cannot steal whats already ours.
Thank you for acknowledging we to have the right to live in Cyprus peacefully without threat persecution or domination, this is what we have in the TRNC pity we are unable to agree the same with GCs, they want us to capitulate to their demands and become a minority in a GC state run by GCs just like the few TCs who have moved south, this will never happen and it is for this reason that we need safeguards and guarantees to ensure we are not excluded from having an effective say in our own country.
