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[Simon]

Simon you still havent grasped it have you, we have every right to every part of this island..we fought for survival and created a safe haven call the TRNC time you got it into your head that we have just as much weight as you do with our right to demand safeguards and guarantees, if we say no there is nothing you can do about it. Time you realized that the only way you can get this island to unite is to compromise and accept that we have just as much say as you do.

No VP, it is you that clearly has not grasped "it", as is clearly evidenced from your post.

Turkish Cypriots have the right to be part of this island, like every other Cypriot citizen. However, they do not have the right to take a part of this island, declare it a Turkish state, and deny the legal inhabitants the basic human right of returning to their properties. You did not fight for survival, you fought for partition, and created an illegal state. By making unreasonable demands, you believe the GCs will capitulate because there is "nothing we can do about it" as you put it. This is your arrogance which will in the end be your downfall. You are illegally occupying land that does not belong to you, and it does not matter how many troops you put in the north, nothing will change that. Therefore, it is time you realised that until you return to legality and drop your ridiculous demands, there will be no solution, and you will always be isolated, whilst at the same time militarizing your "state" even more, always looking over your shoulder. You may think you're living in a "safe haven" VP, but in actual fact, you're right in the firing line.

[Simon]

YFred,

The idea of BBF and geographical separation of the two communities is precisely to avoid another confrontation. So why the presence of roreign troop ON TOP of bizonality. Unless you have other plans in mind. Can you convince us that you do not? And if so how?

The word of Turkey? Our turn to say no thanks. That last peace operation cost thousands of lives. The score in terms of lives is heavily against the GCs, so keep your guarantees and your troops.

Apart from that how can you as a Cypriot want your country forever subject to foreign powers and hosting foreign soldiers? Don't you have any pride?

Nikitas, this isn't really that dificult. The guaranty is very simple, if GC attack TCs unless they are attacked first by the TCs, then the TCs reserve the right to call for help. If GC do not attack TCs they have nothing to worry about. It should be in the agreement. This is not the same as 74. TCs are able to defend themselves if necessary long enough till help arrives. The same could not be said of 74. Once coupists finished off the GC oppositon, they could have wiped out the TCs in days. GCs had the military power to do it.

What about if TCs attack TCs and blame the GCs like last time?

Y-Freak wrote:

Both are as guilty as each other about where they put their bombs.

Both sides did evil things. But it was the TCs that started the violence thicko. You could clearly start trouble again. What guarantee do we have from this? And after all the trouble Turkey has caused, you really think we're going to give them the right to invade again? You're out of touch with reality.

Y-Freak wrote:

Turkey did not intervene then. Its only when the likes of you overthrew the so called roc government that they came to our aid, and thank god for that.

The dye was cast. Turkey bombed Cyprus not so long afterwards, and the situation deteriorated. Turkey also threatened an invasion, so of course it intervened.

The likes of you and your shitty Y-Freak clan sowed the seeds for the invasion, by causing trouble and helping Turkey implement a racist partition plan and ethnic cleansing. They didn't come to your aid, they came to execute a scheme concocted in the 1950s. You created the problem by siding with the British and later attacking GCs for Taksim, and then want to blame us for retaliating, claiming you need "guarantees"

The coup was never going to last, Makarios was still alive, and Sampson did not have the support of the GCs. It was all just a pretext that the stupid junta gave you to use.

Y-Freak wrote:

You see I remember the GC radio in 63/4/7 winding up TCs by playing the song bekleding da gelmedi. They new that Turkey may intervene and took a gamble and lost. So in DT's own words, now take it like a man.

And now idiots like you are doing exactly the same thing to the GCs, gloating about what you have taken, putting a huge flag on a mountain and lighting it up at night just so GCs can see it. Creating problems for people going on a pilgrimage. You are taking the same gamble and you will lose. Then I will be giving you the same advice. He who laughs last, laughs longest.

Y-Freak wrote:

See if your TC cousins will want to live with you at the end of these negotiations. I wouldn't count on it.

I'm afraid that they don't have a choice if they want to remain in Cyprus. You see northern Cyprus does not belong to the TCs and never has. They have no right to take any part of Cyprus and deny it to the GCs. If they don't want to live with the overwhelming majority on the island, I will be happy to show them the exit.

When the tanks lined up to flatten Lurucina and TAF wiped them out and stopped them doing the deed. Now if that is not coming to our aid, what is?

1974 was about Taksim. Of course this means helping the TCs, because they also wanted partition. This is why we have the situation that we do today. If Turkey simply wanted the coup to fail, it only had to wait a week. If you don't believe this, then you're more brainwashed than I previously thought. No TCs were attacked in 1974 until the invasion, which includes the case you mention above. Nobody would have needed to come to your aid had TCs not had Taksim as their aim, and not attacked GCs for it. But TCs brought many of the problems onto themselves. If both sides are equally to blame as you stated earlier, then both sides should be happy with the guarantee of being in the EU, and not allow any foreign powers to wreak havoc on Cyprus again.

[YFred]

I have no problem you choosing the EU as your guarantor but I would not wait for them to come to my aid, hence I'll keep the current one, thanks.

[The Cypriot]

I have no problem you choosing the EU as your guarantor but I would not wait for them to come to my aid, hence I'll keep the current one, thanks.

Not if you were to move to Paphos. No guarantees from Turkey there. And no problems either. Is there a link d'you think?

[Kikapu]

I have no problem you choosing the EU as your guarantor but I would not wait for them to come to my aid, hence I'll keep the current one, thanks.

Don't you realize, that once the BBF was agreed on, all provisions in the 1960 Constitution was now up for review, because you cannot have a Federation state from a Unitary state and not effect all the other provisions. This is why Turkey is so desperate to keep the guarantorship rights with the agreement of the GCs. If the GCs say no, then is a no, no matter what the TCs say. They do not have to agree to it . Had Turkey did her job back in 1963 when the problems first started, we wouldn't have needed to have the problems of 1974, but even then had she did what she was suppose to do, we would not be in this situation today. Turkey was suppose to guarantee the restoration of the government of the RoC and failed to do so, but instead, she wanted policy changes right there and then, and you wonder why the GCs do not want Turkey or anyone else to be a guarantor any longer. What for, because all three guarantors failed Cyprus and Cypriots. So when you say that the TCs want Turkey to guarantee them, they do not have that right, because guarantees from individual countries were not for specific ethnic groups, but for all Cypriots collectively. Had Turkey not caused ethnic cleansing of all the GCs from the north, this would have gone a long way for the GCs to trust her as a guarantor for the future, but that did not happen, and if you are still having problems understanding all this, then Turkey should take her case to the ICJ and make a complaint that the GCs refuse to accept the 1960 provisions in the constitution.

[eleni]

absolutely well said Kikapu

[Simon]

I have no problem you choosing the EU as your guarantor but I would not wait for them to come to my aid, hence I'll keep the current one, thanks.

Which proves my point. Enjoy isolation until the RoC is able to liberate its occupied areas. Then it might be the GCs that don't want to live with you.

[Viewpoint]

Simon you still havent grasped it have you, we have every right to every part of this island..we fought for survival and created a safe haven call the TRNC time you got it into your head that we have just as much weight as you do with our right to demand safeguards and guarantees, if we say no there is nothing you can do about it. Time you realized that the only way you can get this island to unite is to compromise and accept that we have just as much say as you do.

No VP, it is you that clearly has not grasped "it", as is clearly evidenced from your post.

Turkish Cypriots have the right to be part of this island, like every other Cypriot citizen. However, they do not have the right to take a part of this island, declare it a Turkish state, and deny the legal inhabitants the basic human right of returning to their properties. You did not fight for survival, you fought for partition, and created an illegal state. By making unreasonable demands, you believe the GCs will capitulate because there is "nothing we can do about it" as you put it. This is your arrogance which will in the end be your downfall. You are illegally occupying land that does not belong to you, and it does not matter how many troops you put in the north, nothing will change that. Therefore, it is time you realised that until you return to legality and drop your ridiculous demands, there will be no solution, and you will always be isolated, whilst at the same time militarizing your "state" even more, always looking over your shoulder. You may think you're living in a "safe haven" VP, but in actual fact, you're right in the firing line.

TCs have the right to protection and if that means the TRNC then thats how it will be. You have your chnace to build an equal nation in 1960 but you messed up big time. 35 years has proven that the north is a safe haven for TCs compared to living with you people during the 1960s its not just a safe haven but heaven not to be put into so much danger.

Its your arrgance that makes you feel we are being arrogant when in fact your aim is to reduce us to minority status and th whole of Cyprus into a GC state run by GCs. allowing them to do as they wish crushing the TCs into oblivion.

[The Cypriot]

TCs have the right to protection and if that means the TRNC then thats how it will be. You have your chnace to build an equal nation in 1960 but you messed up big time. 35 years has proven that the north is a safe haven for TCs compared to living with you people during the 1960s its not just a safe haven but heaven not to be put into so much danger.

Except in Paphos, where TCs seem to be getting on just fine.

Its your arrgance that makes you feel we are being arrogant when in fact your aim is to reduce us to minority status and th whole of Cyprus into a GC state run by GCs. allowing them to do as they wish crushing the TCs into oblivion.

Except in Paphos, where TCs seem to be getting on just fine.

[Viewpoint]

TCs have the right to protection and if that means the TRNC then thats how it will be. You have your chnace to build an equal nation in 1960 but you messed up big time. 35 years has proven that the north is a safe haven for TCs compared to living with you people during the 1960s its not just a safe haven but heaven not to be put into so much danger.

Except in Paphos, where TCs seem to be getting on just fine.

Its your arrgance that makes you feel we are being arrogant when in fact your aim is to reduce us to minority status and th whole of Cyprus into a GC state run by GCs. allowing them to do as they wish crushing the TCs into oblivion.

Except in Paphos, where TCs seem to be getting on just fine.

How do you know they are getting on just fine? the sheer numbers tell you that the majority of TCs prefer the TRNC to the GC south.