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[YFred]

We couldn’t care less what the garbage Turkish puppet excuses are again because it’s all history now, and all I want to know now are the repercussions.

There must be some kind of EU punishment for this stupidity so we just have to wait and see… there were some EU funds heading in the TC direction sometime in November I believe, so that’s a good place to start.

You sound like a snake that had its fangs pulled out and are just not aware of it. Thats it, you have always wanted to block the money from the EU to the north. Well there is another failure on your list old boy.

Maybe there is a plan for funding North with EU funds.What i can not understand is how such aid can be directed to people who are not paying taxes to an EU state?
Maybe also this is based on "the right of military power"?

T/cs and settlers always demanding rights but i can not locate any of their obligations as citizens of a state to be fulfilled.

The period of wars ended-stop negotiating with the occupation forces and ask (ROC) all its citizens -if they want to be considered as such-to comply with the citizenship obligations.
Stop (ROC) to play the game of a good Turkey as candiate member of EU-Present it as it is, an occupator who occupy a land of EU and do nothing until this basic situation be ended.

I am no economist, but if TCs were full members of the EU, the RoC would have to not only get zero taxes from the TCs but would have to pay the TCs because their level of income is lower than the official EU poverty line. Which is why TPAPA fought and won to exclude the North from the EU. Sooner or later peace will come and the RoC will pay for all the economic crimes they have committed against the TCs since 1963.
We have no economic obligation to the EU as the TRNC economy stands today.

[EPSILON]

We couldn’t care less what the garbage Turkish puppet excuses are again because it’s all history now, and all I want to know now are the repercussions.

There must be some kind of EU punishment for this stupidity so we just have to wait and see… there were some EU funds heading in the TC direction sometime in November I believe, so that’s a good place to start.

You sound like a snake that had its fangs pulled out and are just not aware of it. Thats it, you have always wanted to block the money from the EU to the north. Well there is another failure on your list old boy.

Maybe there is a plan for funding North with EU funds.What i can not understand is how such aid can be directed to people who are not paying taxes to an EU state?
Maybe also this is based on "the right of military power"?

T/cs and settlers always demanding rights but i can not locate any of their obligations as citizens of a state to be fulfilled.

The period of wars ended-stop negotiating with the occupation forces and ask (ROC) all its citizens -if they want to be considered as such-to comply with the citizenship obligations.
Stop (ROC) to play the game of a good Turkey as candiate member of EU-Present it as it is, an occupator who occupy a land of EU and do nothing until this basic situation be ended.

I am no economist, but if TCs were full members of the EU, the RoC would have to not only get zero taxes from the TCs but would have to pay the TCs because their level of income is lower than the official EU poverty line. Which is why TPAPA fought and won to exclude the North from the EU. Sooner or later peace will come and the RoC will pay for all the economic crimes they have committed against the TCs since 1963.
We have no economic obligation to the EU as the TRNC economy stands today.

I am not critizing in my post the funny (indeed very funny) Turkish position about such matters. I am critisizing G/cs governement (if i remember well this is the nominee of EU membership and not muchtar Tallat and i wonder how it happens T/cs to be considered citizens of ROC , demanding aid etc without they pay taxes to their government (because my friend if you read the EU membership carefully you will surprise to see that T/cs government is still the ROC!!
Lets say that a Turkish citizen in mainland or a Greek here is not paying taxes -you know very well the regulation-is going to jail and of course is not entitled to any state's help.But of course we are speaking about a stupid leadership in G/c side for the last 35 years.!!!I hope one day they will wake up or at least G/cs will push them to wake up and then your side will realise in which chaos you have guided your people.

[Lit]

Michaelides said the issue is that Greek Cypriots crossing to Morphou for the Ayios Mamas church service should be treated in the same way as Turkish Cypriots crossing to Kokkina for their annual celebration two weeks ago, as agreed previously.

So the Turks were able to go to Kokkina two weeks ago to celebrate the 1964 napalming of Greek Cypriot villages and they went without being checked.

Michaelides, here is the funny part, LOL...Michaelides and the Cypriot government thought that the pilgrims would be "treated in the same way" ha ha ha too funny.

If we can only continue to show goodwill to the "TRNC" maybe they will finally see the light and not seek a two state confederation ha ha ha ahhhhh. Has Christofias been able cross any Turkish red lines yet? No? No deviation from the Turks these past few years? Not even an inch?

Thats what i thought. LOL

R.I.P TPAP

When you meet your maker, I think you will find that TPAP will not be anywhere near heaven old boy. If such a thing exists.

Either respond properly or dont respond at all. The "TRNC" could not honor a simple agreement. It was agreed previously that the TCs would make the trip to Kokkina without checks and in return...the Greek Cypriots crossing to Morphou for the Ayios Mamas church service would be treated in the same way. The Chistofias government was telling the GCs a few days ago that there werent going to be any strict time consuming checks for pilgrims visiting Morphou. What happened? The TCs went to Kokkina unimpeded so why were GCs treated in this manner? We are not talking about an agreement on property or Turkish troops. We are talking about a simple pilgrimage agreement. And the way you and Insane responded earlier by blaming Christian clergy for all this was truly despicable so was the way your "police" lined up our priests. Shame on you.

And dont call me old boy when your way older than me, pops.

[insan]

Michaelides said the issue is that Greek Cypriots crossing to Morphou for the Ayios Mamas church service should be treated in the same way as Turkish Cypriots crossing to Kokkina for their annual celebration two weeks ago, as agreed previously.

So the Turks were able to go to Kokkina two weeks ago to celebrate the 1964 napalming of Greek Cypriot villages and they went without being checked.

Michaelides, here is the funny part, LOL...Michaelides and the Cypriot government thought that the pilgrims would be "treated in the same way" ha ha ha too funny.

If we can only continue to show goodwill to the "TRNC" maybe they will finally see the light and not seek a two state confederation ha ha ha ahhhhh. Has Christofias been able cross any Turkish red lines yet? No? No deviation from the Turks these past few years? Not even an inch?

Thats what i thought. LOL

R.I.P TPAP

When you meet your maker, I think you will find that TPAP will not be anywhere near heaven old boy. If such a thing exists.

Either respond properly or dont respond at all. The "TRNC" could not honor a simple agreement. It was agreed previously that the TCs would make the trip to Kokkina without checks and in return...the Greek Cypriots crossing to Morphou for the Ayios Mamas church service would be treated in the same way. The Chistofias government was telling the GCs a few days ago that there werent going to be any strict time consuming checks for pilgrims visiting Morphou. What happened? The TCs went to Kokkina unimpeded so why were GCs treated in this manner? We are not talking about an agreement on property or Turkish troops. We are talking about a simple pilgrimage agreement. And the way you and Insane responded earlier by blaming Christian clergy for all this was truly despicable so was the way your "police" lined up our priests. Shame on you.

And dont call me old boy when your way older than me, pops.

On that pilgirmage agreement, it was agreed that the busses of pilgrims would arrive the check points at 5.30 but they arrived at 7.30. It was agreed that only the pilgrims whose names were on the list would be allowed to pass with the busses but with a little check it was understood that there were at least 13 passengers in the busses that their names were not on the agreed lists.

Now u sort out who violated the pilgrimage agreement.

[YFred]

Michaelides said the issue is that Greek Cypriots crossing to Morphou for the Ayios Mamas church service should be treated in the same way as Turkish Cypriots crossing to Kokkina for their annual celebration two weeks ago, as agreed previously.

So the Turks were able to go to Kokkina two weeks ago to celebrate the 1964 napalming of Greek Cypriot villages and they went without being checked.

Michaelides, here is the funny part, LOL...Michaelides and the Cypriot government thought that the pilgrims would be "treated in the same way" ha ha ha too funny.

If we can only continue to show goodwill to the "TRNC" maybe they will finally see the light and not seek a two state confederation ha ha ha ahhhhh. Has Christofias been able cross any Turkish red lines yet? No? No deviation from the Turks these past few years? Not even an inch?

Thats what i thought. LOL

R.I.P TPAP

When you meet your maker, I think you will find that TPAP will not be anywhere near heaven old boy. If such a thing exists.

Either respond properly or dont respond at all. The "TRNC" could not honor a simple agreement. It was agreed previously that the TCs would make the trip to Kokkina without checks and in return...the Greek Cypriots crossing to Morphou for the Ayios Mamas church service would be treated in the same way. The Chistofias government was telling the GCs a few days ago that there werent going to be any strict time consuming checks for pilgrims visiting Morphou. What happened? The TCs went to Kokkina unimpeded so why were GCs treated in this manner? We are not talking about an agreement on property or Turkish troops. We are talking about a simple pilgrimage agreement. And the way you and Insane responded earlier by blaming Christian clergy for all this was truly despicable so was the way your "police" lined up our priests. Shame on you.

And dont call me old boy when your way older than me, pops.

On that pilgirmage agreement, it was agreed that the busses of pilgrims would arrive the check points at 5.30 but they arrived at 7.30. It was agreed that only the pilgrims whose names were on the list would be allowed to pass with the busses but with a little check it was understood that there were at least 13 passengers in the busses that their names were not on the agreed lists.

Now u sort out who violated the pilgrimage agreement.

That was just on the first 2 busses. They were supposed to come as a convoy. 27 busses with 27 TC policeman to do the visual check as quick as poss. We have nothing to answer for.

[Lit]

Michaelides said the issue is that Greek Cypriots crossing to Morphou for the Ayios Mamas church service should be treated in the same way as Turkish Cypriots crossing to Kokkina for their annual celebration two weeks ago, as agreed previously.

So the Turks were able to go to Kokkina two weeks ago to celebrate the 1964 napalming of Greek Cypriot villages and they went without being checked.

Michaelides, here is the funny part, LOL...Michaelides and the Cypriot government thought that the pilgrims would be "treated in the same way" ha ha ha too funny.

If we can only continue to show goodwill to the "TRNC" maybe they will finally see the light and not seek a two state confederation ha ha ha ahhhhh. Has Christofias been able cross any Turkish red lines yet? No? No deviation from the Turks these past few years? Not even an inch?

Thats what i thought. LOL

R.I.P TPAP

When you meet your maker, I think you will find that TPAP will not be anywhere near heaven old boy. If such a thing exists.

Either respond properly or dont respond at all. The "TRNC" could not honor a simple agreement. It was agreed previously that the TCs would make the trip to Kokkina without checks and in return...the Greek Cypriots crossing to Morphou for the Ayios Mamas church service would be treated in the same way. The Chistofias government was telling the GCs a few days ago that there werent going to be any strict time consuming checks for pilgrims visiting Morphou. What happened? The TCs went to Kokkina unimpeded so why were GCs treated in this manner? We are not talking about an agreement on property or Turkish troops. We are talking about a simple pilgrimage agreement. And the way you and Insane responded earlier by blaming Christian clergy for all this was truly despicable so was the way your "police" lined up our priests. Shame on you.

And dont call me old boy when your way older than me, pops.

On that pilgirmage agreement, it was agreed that the busses of pilgrims would arrive the check points at 5.30 but they arrived at 7.30. It was agreed that only the pilgrims whose names were on the list would be allowed to pass with the busses but with a little check it was understood that there were at least 13 passengers in the busses that their names were not on the agreed lists.

Now u sort out who violated the pilgrimage agreement.

You are so pitiful. Your side violated this agreement. You dont want to believe me, fine. Maybe you will believe TC newspapers:
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Turkish Cypriot newspapers criticize the Turkish side for not permitting the inhabitants of Pyrgos to visit occupied Morfou through Limnitis barricade

Writing in Turkish Cypriot daily Havadis newspaper (03.09.09) under the title “One proper and one wrong”, the paper’s general director Basaran Duzgun refers to the statements made by the Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs Ahmet Davutoglu during his illegal visit to the occupied areas of Cyprus and the obstacles posed yesterday by the breakaway regime to the agreed visit of the inhabitants of Pyrgos area to Agios Mamas church in Morfou through the barricade in occupied Limnitis.

Mr Duzgun alleges that the illegal visit of Davutoglu caused the collapse of the campaign carried out by Athens and the Greek Cypriot side that “Ankara does not want a solution” and that “if Ankara wanted a solution, the Cyprus problem would be solved in a very short time.”

Referring to the obstacles which the inhabitants of Pyrgos area faced yesterday, Mr Duzgun writes the following:
“The difficulties caused to the Greek Cypriots who wanted to attend the service that would be carried out at Agios Mamas Church in Morfou using the Yesilirmak [Tr. Note: occupied Limnitis] Gate, were not a correct stance. In our view, when the difficulties which the leaders faced for opening the Yesilirmak Gate are taken into consideration, the last thing needed was experiencing a problem in such details and poisoning the relations unnecessarily.

While the positive effects of the massive crossing carried out for the memorial ceremonies of Erenkoy victims [Tr. Note: occupied Kokkina village] using the Pyrgos gate were continuing, no problems should have been created for the Greek Cypriots who would pass from Yesilirmak for the service. Tension should not have been created at the very beginning of the talks by doing this.

While the TRNC citizens who are not permitted to visit the South reached Erenkoy without any obstacles, violating an agreement by carrying out detailed interrogations and falling into an unnecessary delirium of security has been noted as a stance which is not correct. Unfortunately, this improper stance was exhibited by our side.

There is definitely an explanation why those who had a positive attitude on a thorny and difficult issue such as the opening of Yesilirmak Gate behaved in this manner during a crossing for a simple service. The public is expecting to hear this.”

Meanwhile, referring to the same issue, Turkish Cypriot daily Afrika newspaper (03.09.09) writes, inter alia, the following in its “Letter from Africa” column under the title “Let us see you count how many of us tell the truth”:
“The Turkish side plants continuously seeds of enmity in Cyprus. It blows up the feelings of peace. It incites the feelings of enmity, hatred and revenge. In every occasion it makes the other side feel its military power and superiority. It forces it succumb to all its conditions. What kind of feelings do you want a Greek Cypriot adolescent to have when he is not permitted to cross over to Morfou through Limnitis gate? How will he love you? How will he be supporter of peace? If you were in his shoes, what would you feel when you were going home after they turned your buses back from the barricade? Would you not dream for the right moment in your life? Would you not think that one day the wheel would turn round and you would take your revenge? …

Those who lead us, the civilian and the military authorities, do this in an irresponsible manner. They plant seeds of enmity. They made those who are on the other side be filled with hatred and not with love. What would happen, if permission was given for the crossing from that gate? Would the end of the world come? Would we be humiliated and insulted? Would our lives be in danger? Would the TRNC lose from its prestige? It is a shame, a shame! You passed and went to Erenkoy [Tr. Note: occupied Kokkina village] with buses. Have they created problems for you? Have they lined you up, as you lined up the priests in front of the police lodges? What would happen if you gave the permission? They came for prayers and not to conquer Morfou.

[DT.]

You are so pitiful. Your side violated this agreement. You dont want to believe me, fine. Maybe you will believe TC newspapers:
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Turkish Cypriot newspapers criticize the Turkish side for not permitting the inhabitants of Pyrgos to visit occupied Morfou through Limnitis barricade

Writing in Turkish Cypriot daily Havadis newspaper (03.09.09) under the title “One proper and one wrong”, the paper’s general director Basaran Duzgun refers to the statements made by the Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs Ahmet Davutoglu during his illegal visit to the occupied areas of Cyprus and the obstacles posed yesterday by the breakaway regime to the agreed visit of the inhabitants of Pyrgos area to Agios Mamas church in Morfou through the barricade in occupied Limnitis.

Mr Duzgun alleges that the illegal visit of Davutoglu caused the collapse of the campaign carried out by Athens and the Greek Cypriot side that “Ankara does not want a solution” and that “if Ankara wanted a solution, the Cyprus problem would be solved in a very short time.”

Referring to the obstacles which the inhabitants of Pyrgos area faced yesterday, Mr Duzgun writes the following:
“The difficulties caused to the Greek Cypriots who wanted to attend the service that would be carried out at Agios Mamas Church in Morfou using the Yesilirmak [Tr. Note: occupied Limnitis] Gate, were not a correct stance. In our view, when the difficulties which the leaders faced for opening the Yesilirmak Gate are taken into consideration, the last thing needed was experiencing a problem in such details and poisoning the relations unnecessarily.

While the positive effects of the massive crossing carried out for the memorial ceremonies of Erenkoy victims [Tr. Note: occupied Kokkina village] using the Pyrgos gate were continuing, no problems should have been created for the Greek Cypriots who would pass from Yesilirmak for the service. Tension should not have been created at the very beginning of the talks by doing this.

While the TRNC citizens who are not permitted to visit the South reached Erenkoy without any obstacles, violating an agreement by carrying out detailed interrogations and falling into an unnecessary delirium of security has been noted as a stance which is not correct. Unfortunately, this improper stance was exhibited by our side.

There is definitely an explanation why those who had a positive attitude on a thorny and difficult issue such as the opening of Yesilirmak Gate behaved in this manner during a crossing for a simple service. The public is expecting to hear this.”

Meanwhile, referring to the same issue, Turkish Cypriot daily Afrika newspaper (03.09.09) writes, inter alia, the following in its “Letter from Africa” column under the title “Let us see you count how many of us tell the truth”:
“The Turkish side plants continuously seeds of enmity in Cyprus. It blows up the feelings of peace. It incites the feelings of enmity, hatred and revenge. In every occasion it makes the other side feel its military power and superiority. It forces it succumb to all its conditions. What kind of feelings do you want a Greek Cypriot adolescent to have when he is not permitted to cross over to Morfou through Limnitis gate? How will he love you? How will he be supporter of peace? If you were in his shoes, what would you feel when you were going home after they turned your buses back from the barricade? Would you not dream for the right moment in your life? Would you not think that one day the wheel would turn round and you would take your revenge? …

Those who lead us, the civilian and the military authorities, do this in an irresponsible manner. They plant seeds of enmity. They made those who are on the other side be filled with hatred and not with love. What would happen, if permission was given for the crossing from that gate? Would the end of the world come? Would we be humiliated and insulted? Would our lives be in danger? Would the TRNC lose from its prestige? It is a shame, a shame! You passed and went to Erenkoy [Tr. Note: occupied Kokkina village] with buses. Have they created problems for you? Have they lined you up, as you lined up the priests in front of the police lodges? What would happen if you gave the permission? They came for prayers and not to conquer Morfou.