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Talat Reacts to EU, BM with Letter about Constitution

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby RAFAELLA » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:23 am

Mr Gladius, I really admire your ignorance.
I mention UN resolutions, ECHR decisions, International Law...and you still talk about ENOSIS :lol:

UN General Assembly Resolution 3212 (XXIX)
The General Assembly adopted on the evening of 1st November, 1974, resolution 3212(XXIX) by 117 votes in favour, none against and no abstentions.
The resolution reads as follows:
The General Assembly,
Having considered the question of Cyprus,
Gravely concerned about the continuation of the Cyprus crisis, which constitutes a threat to international peace and security,
Mindful of the need to solve this crisis without delay by peaceful means, in accordance with the purposes and principles of the United Nations,
Having heard the statements in the debate and taking note of the Report of the Special Political Committee on the Question of Cyprus,
1. Calls upon all states to respect the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus and to refrain from all acts and interventions directed against it;
2. Urges the speedy withdrawal of all foreign armed forces and foreign military presence and personnel from the Republic of Cyprus and the cessation of all foreign interference in its affairs;
3. Considers that the constitutional system of the Republic of Cyprus concerns the Greek-Cypriot and Turkish-Cypriot communities;
4. Commends the contacts and negotiations taking place on an equal footing, with the good offices of the Secretary-General between the representatives of the two communities, and calls for their continuation with a view to reaching freely a mutually acceptable political settlement, based on their fundamental and legitimate rights;
5. Considers that all the refugees should return to their homes in safety and calls upon the parties concerned to undertake urgent measures to that end;
6. Expresses the hope that, if necessary, further efforts including negotiations can take place, within the framework of the United Nations, for the purpose of implementing the provisions of the present resolution, thus ensuring to the Republic of Cyprus its fundamental right to independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity;
7. Requests the Secretary-General to continue to provide United Nations humanitarian assistance to all parts of the population of Cyprus and calls upon all states to contribute to that effort;
8. Calls upon all parties to continue to cooperate fully with the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus, which may be strengthened if necessary;
9. Requests the Secretary-General to continue to lend his good offices to the parties concerned;
10. Further requests the Secretary-General to bring the present resolution to the attention of the Security Council.


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ECHR
The European Commission of Human Rights of the Council of Europe in its report adopted on 10 July 1976 found Turkey responsible for the eviction of the Greek Cypriots from their homes, for its refusal to allow their return to their homes and for the looting and deprivation of their possessions.

In July 1989, a Kyrenia refugee, Mrs Titina Loizidou, brought a case before the European Court of Human Rights against Turkey alleging violation of her right to "peacefully enjoy" her property in Kyrenia, which is situated in the Turkish-occupied part of Cyprus.

She claimed that Turkey violated Article 8 and Article 1 of Protocol 1 of the European Convention of Human Rights. Article 1 provides that "every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions" and Article 8 stipulates that "everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life".

On 18 December 1996 the Court ruled by 11 votes to six that Turkey had violated Titina Loizidou's property rights by denying her access to plots of land in Kyrenia. It dismissed Turkey's argument that the European Human Rights Convention did not apply to its occupation of the northern half of the island since it occurred before Ankara accepted its jurisdiction. The Court found Turkey responsible for continuing violation of human rights in the Turkish occupied area of Cyprus and, refused, moreover to accept the legitimacy of the breakaway regime subsequently set up in occupied Cyprus, stating that the Republic of Cyprus remains the sole legitimate government on the island.
More recently the Court, in its judgement in the case of Cyprus V. Turkey (application no.25781/94 ) on May 10, 2001 found, by sixteen votes to one, the Turkish vote, that Turkey committed 14 violations of the European Convention on Human Rights. Out of these, three violations concern the rights of Greek Cypriot displaced persons. More specifically, the Court held that Turkey committed the following violations :
- a continuing violation of Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life, home and correspondence) concerning the refusal to allow the return of any Greek-Cypriot displaced persons to their homes in northern Cyprus;
- a continuing violation of Article 1 of ProtocolNo. 1 (protection of property) concerning the fact that Greek-Cypriot owners of property in northern Cyprus were being denied access to and control, use and enjoyment of their property as well as any compensation for the interference with their property rights;
- a violation of Article 13 (right to an effective remedy) concerning the failure to provide to Greek Cypriots not residing in northern Cyprus any remedies to contest interferences with their rights under Article 8 and Article 1 of Protocol No. 1.

Furthermore, the General Assembly, the Security Council and the Commission on Human Rights of the United Nations as well as the Non-Aligned Movement, the Commonwealth, the European Parliament, the Council of Europe and other international organisations demanded the urgent return of the refugees to their homes in safety and called for the full restoration of all human rights of the population of Cyprus
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*information was taken from the PRESS & INFORMATION OFFICE of CyP
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Postby RAFAELLA » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:42 am

demetriou_74 wrote:i ask anybody to produce a documnet from the UN saying the war was legal.


Dem_74, you'll be waisting your time waiting for someone to present such a document. There's no such a document, the invasion was illegal.
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Postby gladius » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:21 pm

RAFAELLA wrote:
demetriou_74 wrote:i ask anybody to produce a documnet from the UN saying the war was legal.


Dem_74, you'll be waisting your time waiting for someone to present such a document. There's no such a document, the invasion was illegal.


Well try to read and understand the Treaty of Guarantee signed in 1959. It will help you a lot to see the situation on the island without any blindfolding.........

As far as I know you are sitting on the Southern side of the Green Line and there is a big chance that you and your children, grandchildren and whatever will come behind you will remain seated there for all the future provided you are not stirring up a new war. If you are going for war again you should have a look for a nice shelter a bit more in the west like Italy or Spain.

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Postby MicAtCyp » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:31 pm

gladius wrote: First of all your GC brethren have started the troubles with their aim for ENOSIS and their aim to extinguish the TC on the island.


Is that why the first victims were 8 GCs who were slaughtered at Kontemenos by TCs?
And what about your TMT and it's aim for TAKSIM? Were they angels? Very selective memory you got

wrote: Secondly Turkey as Guarantor power of the indepence treaties of Cyprus had the right, or lets say, was obliged to guarantee the survival of the TC.


Read the treaties and see what they say.
The only right Turkey had was to restore the costitutional Order. Not to invade and throw out of their homes and lands 200,000 GCs and to occupy for 31 years 37% of the land and 70% of it's wealth.

wrote: You have lost the war you have started and now you are complaining about the bill which got presented to you.


The vast majority of GCs started no war. We paid our part of the bill a long time ago, and now have so much money as we ever dreampt. I don't see you having any money to pay the reastaurant though, all I see is your mother paying the bill for you.

wrote: But that's all snow from yesterday. Since more than thirty years there was no trouble anymore with your GC on the island because you were prevented to continue with your policies!


So for you there is no problem. If yes then why are you here? Go home sleep well.
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Postby RAFAELLA » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:25 pm

gladius wrote:
RAFAELLA wrote:
demetriou_74 wrote:i ask anybody to produce a documnet from the UN saying the war was legal.


Dem_74, you'll be waisting your time waiting for someone to present such a document. There's no such a document, the invasion was illegal.


Well try to read and understand the Treaty of Guarantee signed in 1959. It will help you a lot to see the situation on the island without any blindfolding.........


I CHALLENGE YOU, GIVE US ANY DOCUMENTS, RESOLUTIONS etc THAT JUSTIFY THE LEGALITY OF THE INVASION.


gladius wrote: As far as I know you are sitting on the Southern side of the Green Line and there is a big chance that you and your children, grandchildren and whatever will come behind you will remain seated there for all the future provided you are not stirring up a new war. If you are going for war again you should have a look for a nice shelter a bit more in the west like Italy or Spain.
Unlike you, I live at the free area of CyP since I was forced to leave my property and hometown Famagusta due to the illegal turkish occupation.
Don't worry, I will not immigrate to Spain or Italy although my husband was born in Spain. ...and my children, grandchildren will live under better circumstances in a free country without having to deal with people like you, therefore no need for you to worry. :D
The only ones that have the war in their minds are the Turks, and you are one of them. Whenever you post something you always end up with war threats...we are not afraid of you and your fart threats Re!
If you dare start a war, why don't you?
You threatened us that if we enter EU you will attack, why didn't you? ...simply because you cannot and you know it, you cannot for many reasons.
Btw, are you a tc? ...a grey sheep maybe? :lol:
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Postby brother » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:29 pm

Raf when was a threat of war made, this is something i hold as unacceptable, please post this for me.
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Postby Dhavlos » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:33 pm

Rafaella, your gonna fall in his trap.

Your gonna start arguing and he will then call you some kind of nationalist pig, which i am sure your not.

I know where your coming from, you remind me of one of my aunties, a bit hot-headed.
Please try to calm down. I know especially for you it is hard as you said you were forced out of your home. Be patient, and it will eventually be yours.
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Postby RAFAELLA » Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:06 pm

brother wrote:Raf when was a threat of war made, this is something i hold as unacceptable, please post this for me.


Please go to this site Brother:
http://turkeyhumanrights.fw.bz/EU3.htm
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Postby RAFAELLA » Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:10 pm

Dhavlos wrote:Rafaella, your gonna fall in his trap.

Your gonna start arguing and he will then call you some kind of nationalist pig, which i am sure your not.

I know where your coming from, you remind me of one of my aunties, a bit hot-headed.
Please try to calm down. I know especially for you it is hard as you said you were forced out of your home. Be patient, and it will eventually be yours.


Thanks Dhavlos :)
...but he/she can call me whatever he/she likes, as long as I know that I am right, I don't care.
With this kind of behavior they confirm how brainwashed they are.
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Postby brother » Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:20 pm

Sorry Raf i misunderstood, i thought one of the forum members made implications of war, which is unacceptable.

The link you supplied i have seen before and is about 7-8 years old and we should not waste our time looking into the past but spend our time concentrating on the present and future imo.
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