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[Nikitas]

Let us list some "alternatives" for both sides

Turkey annexes the north

Turkey organises an international campaign for the recognition of the north

Turkey pushes for the Taiwanisation of the north

Turkey goes on a bender and starts a military campaign against the RoC

Now let us look at the Greek side's options

None of the above diminish the legal claims of the RoC on the north.

None of the above extinguish the individual rights of ownership in the north. Turkey will find itself twice as guilty in the ECHR.

Additionally-

RoC can cast off the north, recognising it and letting it go. Recognition by RoC is the only full legalisation tha can extinguish the rights of individuals. And that will be a situation like the guy who wants the biggest dick in the world and finally the fairy grants his wish, whereupon the next question is "now you got it what you gonna to do with it?". Independence in these circumstance will mean a fate of being kicked out of any western club where RoC is a member, ie EU.

RoC can unite with Greece and turn the green line to an extension of the Greek-Turkish frontier and make Greece a middle eastern power, a turkish nightmare since 1923. Turkey having annexed the north will not be able to do a thing about it.

RoC can grant a full scale naval facility to Russia and upset the US dogma which can accept Russia as a major land power but not a major sea power (see Monteagle Stearns book about this aspect of US policy, ,he should know he was a lifelong career US diplomat and ambassador to Greece for some years).

RoC and Greece crank their defence cooperation a few notches and Turkey finds itself involved in a tense situation along half its international border.

Greece would have a wonderful excuse to extend its territorial sea to 12 miles if Turkey annexes the north, again a move that would be seen by the west as an equal and fair move in view of annexation.

And on top of all this there would be permanent veto by RoC, Greece and all the others in the EU that are looking for an excuse to keep Turkey out.

Ralistically the only alternative is that of Taiwanisation, which will come with a heavy price, the continued and intensified replacement of TCs with settlers.

So who wants to have a go at the wishing well first?

[yiannisP]

the Greek Cypriot Administration was acting contrary to the spirit of peace by using the Cyprus issue as an instrument against Turkey’s EU membership process.

Oh really? I think it is more the fact that they violate international law, do not respect any legal decision passed, continue in an illegal occupation that no civilized country in the world recognises and expect a sovereign nation to gift a piece of her land that is being held against their membership. Complete lack of comprehension

[Nikitas]

Listening to Davutoglu you would think that RoC is the most powerful country in the EU and the only obstacle that stands in the way of Turkish membership.

He obviously has not read the papers in a long time to read how France, Germany, Austria, Luxembourg, and several other countries are objecting for reasons that have FA to do with Cyprus.

[insan]

Let us list some "alternatives" for both sides

Turkey annexes the north

Turkey organises an international campaign for the recognition of the north

Turkey pushes for the Taiwanisation of the north

Turkey goes on a bender and starts a military campaign against the RoC

Now let us look at the Greek side's options

None of the above diminish the legal claims of the RoC on the north.

None of the above extinguish the individual rights of ownership in the north. Turkey will find itself twice as guilty in the ECHR.

Additionally-

RoC can cast off the north, recognising it and letting it go. Recognition by RoC is the only full legalisation tha can extinguish the rights of individuals. And that will be a situation like the guy who wants the biggest dick in the world and finally the fairy grants his wish, whereupon the next question is "now you got it what you gonna to do with it?". Independence in these circumstance will mean a fate of being kicked out of any western club where RoC is a member, ie EU.

RoC can unite with Greece and turn the green line to an extension of the Greek-Turkish frontier and make Greece a middle eastern power, a turkish nightmare since 1923. Turkey having annexed the north will not be able to do a thing about it.

RoC can grant a full scale naval facility to Russia and upset the US dogma which can accept Russia as a major land power but not a major sea power (see Monteagle Stearns book about this aspect of US policy, ,he should know he was a lifelong career US diplomat and ambassador to Greece for some years).

RoC and Greece crank their defence cooperation a few notches and Turkey finds itself involved in a tense situation along half its international border.

Greece would have a wonderful excuse to extend its territorial sea to 12 miles if Turkey annexes the north, again a move that would be seen by the west as an equal and fair move in view of annexation.

And on top of all this there would be permanent veto by RoC, Greece and all the others in the EU that are looking for an excuse to keep Turkey out.

Ralistically the only alternative is that of Taiwanisation, which will come with a heavy price, the continued and intensified replacement of TCs with settlers.

So who wants to have a go at the wishing well first?

U should know that Turkey would not step into any of those alternatives before getting at least some allies to her side...

[Nikitas]

U should know that Greece in the fiasco of 1974 had those same allies on HER side. You are welcome to them. Beware of their tight embrace.

[YFred]

U should know that Greece in the fiasco of 1974 had those same allies on HER side. You are welcome to them. Beware of their tight embrace.

We keep our friends close but our enemies even closer. After the suffocation with love from our GC cousins, we are prepared for anything.

[Nikitas]

You have not seen anything yet. So far the game has been fairly risk free for Turkey. Things can change fast.

[YFred]

You have not seen anything yet. So far the game has been fairly risk free for Turkey. Things can change fast.

Only for those who go against the "greatest democracy on earth". You'll find even the worst dictators on earth to this day do well out of their friendship with the "greatest democracy on earth". So long as they don't rock the boat and get above their station and do as their told. I see no danger of any change.

[Nikitas]

There was no greater friend of the "greater democracy on earth" then the shah of Iran. Remember how fast he was dropped when he got too big for his shoes?

[YFred]

There was no greater friend of the "greater democracy on earth" then the shah of Iran. Remember how fast he was dropped when he got too big for his shoes?

You are being slightly unfair. Saddam yes, but Iran I think you'll find that USA was unable to help not that it didn't want to help. Look at what replaced him. Believe me if they could have stopped it, they would have done.