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[Khan]

Hi, this is my first post, sorry if its a bit off topic.

I think the treatment of Turkey by the EU is going to have serious reprucussions. The EU seems to be going against everything it stands for by treating Turkish people as second rate unwelcome citizens. They have openly admitted that the negotiations are going to be tougher and stricter than anyone has faced before and even then memebership is not guaranteed.

It seems to me the EU is trying to use Turkey to implement as many of the EU's wishes as possible before they basically give them the middle finger and tell them they cant join. Cyprus is obviously one of these wishes, the EU has already made its preference clear for GC's by letting them join regardless of the referendum result last year - and has not fulfilled any of the rhetoric about direct flights, aid, free trade etc.

But i think this can backfire seriously on the EU. I think Turks will end up storing a lot of resentment towards the EU for not letting them join and a very populous and military capable country will be left looking somehwere else for union. And any chance of a Cyprus solution might be utterly ruined by then.

[Turkey (( *]

We(the Turkish people) already knew that! It was and is in the open; what they did and what they will be doing! You are right on all, not bad for a first post .Welcome to Cyprus-Forum!

[Kifeas]

Hi, this is my first post, sorry if its a bit off topic.

I think the treatment of Turkey by the EU is going to have serious reprucussions. The EU seems to be going against everything it stands for by treating Turkish people as second rate unwelcome citizens. They have openly admitted that the negotiations are going to be tougher and stricter than anyone has faced before and even then memebership is not guaranteed.

It seems to me the EU is trying to use Turkey to implement as many of the EU's wishes as possible before they basically give them the middle finger and tell them they cant join. Cyprus is obviously one of these wishes, the EU has already made its preference clear for GC's by letting them join regardless of the referendum result last year - and has not fulfilled any of the rhetoric about direct flights, aid, free trade etc.

But i think this can backfire seriously on the EU. I think Turks will end up storing a lot of resentment towards the EU for not letting them join and a very populous and military capable country will be left looking somehwere else for union. And any chance of a Cyprus solution might be utterly ruined by then.

I do not see were the problem lies. Do you believe that Turkey is anywhere near fit so that it can join the EU in the very near future?
By presenting Istanbul and the west part of Turkey as a show room, you believe that it is enough for the EU to be convinced, ease down and admit Turkey without proper reforms and progress?

Instead of complaining, Turkish people should start working hard to meet all the requirements that are needed and all the future one that will be asked from you. There is nothing like a free cake.

And as far as Cyprus is concerned, the accession in the EU had been decided long before the A-plan referendums took place and it has never been subject to a condition in relation to the result of them. The treaty of accession between EU and RoC was already signed one year before the referendums and it was a known fact.

[Murtaza]

Not for Turkey, But It is too expensive.
Maybe we should buy another thing.

[Turkey (( *]

Don't make me laugh kifeas!! I bet you worked so hard to get into EU!! We did more than any other country has done and would have done! EU treats us more differently than other candidate countries, and you know that very well. If you have seen and know the West and the East side of Turkey, you wouldn't say that, if you did you would just seem stupid. However you haven't seen the place and now you are commenting about it and that's an even sadder fact!

[Kifeas]

Don't make me laugh kifeas!! I bet you worked so hard to get into EU!! We did more than any other country has done and would have done! EU treats us more differently than other candidate countries, and you know that very well. If you have seen and know the West and the East side of Turkey, you wouldn't say that, if you did you would just seem stupid. However you haven't seen the place and now you are commenting about it and that's an even sadder fact!

Therefore you are just saying that the southeast part of Turkey is an area that can be rightfully considered a European part! My friend, even Erdogan himself admitted that this is not the case!

[Murtaza]

Kifeas do you think, They treat Turkey fairly?

[Turkey (( *]

No Kifeas you are seriously WRONG!

In the southeast part of Turkey, there are some traditional values, which are targeted by EU, but these traditional values CANNOT be sacrificed for anything! But of course as Khan said EU is trying to get the most before they show the middle finger to Turkey! There is always room for improvement, everywhere, France, Germany, England etc,etc. But as I said you KNOW that Turkey is being treated unequally!

[Turkey (( *]

Of course he does Murtaza, who doesn't??!! It is a question of admitting!

[Khan]

Kifeas, you miss my point. My point is that certain EU countries seem adamant on not letting Turkey in whatever the state of their country.

They are being given the toughest and strictest entry requirements ever. France and Austria have made it clear they will hold referendums on Turkeys entry, Germanys likely new leaders has stated they will only accept priviliged membership. Something like 30% of Holland said they rejected the constitution because of Turkey. Giscard D'estaing (the guy who made the EU constitution) made clear Turkey should never become part of Europe, even the pope says Turkey shouldnt join the EU.

They are asking Turkey to make efforts to sort out Cyprus (even though it was Turkey who made every effort in last years deal). Why was the same not told of RoC before they were allowed to join?This is not about the state of Turkey, if it was why have all these politicians already decided only priviliged membership should be allowed without giving Turkey a chance to develop.

It is this simple, the EU doesnt want a Muslim country to wield the most power in the EU (which they will). It borders on institutional racism.