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[cannedmoose]

If there was one single good thing that the Eastern Europe communist regimes were offering to their people, this was the abundance of free education up to University levels.

Scarily enough, I agree with Kifeas yet again...

A lot of the people doing Ph.D's in my department are from Eastern Europe and all are incredibly smart people. One thing you can't criticise the Communist regimes for was neglecting to educate their people

[Kifeas]

If there was one single good thing that the Eastern Europe communist regimes were offering to their people, this was the abundance of free education up to University levels.

Scarily enough, I agree with Kifeas yet again...

A lot of the people doing Ph.D's in my department are from Eastern Europe and all are incredibly smart people. One thing you can't criticise the Communist regimes for was neglecting to educate their people

Feel free to agree with me Moose! I know you are a clever person and I am sure you most likely agree with the vast majority of the things I am saying here!

[Turkey (( *]

Ok kifeas fair enough for me! I agree on the education, but what do you say on the other points I made??

[Kifeas]

Ok kifeas fair enough for me! I agree on the education, but what do you say on the other points I made??

I didn't follow everything. Can you direct me to the posting or make a new re-cap posting?

[Turkey (( *]

I also wanna add a small thing to Murtaza's reply, EU needs young and hard working population, needs alternative energy source(mineral boron, very productive elements, 90% lies under Turkey) and will need water supply(this is long-term talking, not present time). So in long term THEY need us, for short-term we need them!

That's what I wrote, the education one is done, I am waiting your comments about the two others...

[Kifeas]

I also wanna add a small thing to Murtaza's reply, EU needs young and hard working population, needs alternative energy source(mineral boron, very productive elements, 90% lies under Turkey) and will need water supply(this is long-term talking, not present time). So in long term THEY need us, for short-term we need them!

That's what I wrote, the education one is done, I am waiting your comments about the two others...

Turkey,

Certainly Turkey's accession offers to the EU some benefits. Who said it doesn't! Turkey will benefit from the EU as well! It will benefit in many directions. Even the accession road will offer benefits to Turkey because it will help her improve it's institutional structure, democratic rights, more freedom for the people, economic measures that will improve the standard of living, etc,etc.

Human Resources and natural resources are some of Turkey’s advantages. However they are not enough by themselves. Turkey has to undergo the painful process of reforms to be able to join the EU. There is also a need for cultural changes in some areas. You cannot expect the EU to admit a country if in some of its areas people have some primitive traditions, like for example what happens with women rights in the eastern part of Turkey. There is also a minority rights problem. The Army must come under civilian control. These are things that need to be done. There are many more. They have to come up to EU value levels.

[Murtaza]

Kifeas do you realy think Turkey will change this much?
Or even she changed so much, Turkey will enter EU?

[cannedmoose]

Kifeas do you realy think Turkey will change this much?
Or even she changed so much, Turkey will enter EU?

She has to Murtaza, it's part and parcel of the accession process. I'm quite looking forward to it actually because it's planned as my first post-doctoral research project

Not that I'm selfish whatsoever.

[Nickp]

Yes the EU will gradually civilise Turkey.

[Turkey (( *]

The way I believe Turkey will never go into EU, these reforms would be suicidal for Turkey, so no Turkish would accept these terms if they think right. Plus too bad for the economical relief we would get from EU in short term, but if you think ahead Turkey will have the advantage in long term. As I said in the other threads, we are not even sure if EU will exist in several decades!