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[Kifeas]

No Kifeas you are seriously WRONG!

In the southeast part of Turkey, there are some traditional values, which are targeted by EU, but these traditional values CANNOT be sacrificed for anything! But of course as Khan said EU is trying to get the most before they show the middle finger to Turkey! There is always room for improvement, everywhere, France, Germany, England etc,etc. But as I said you KNOW that Turkey is being treated unequally!

Can you tell me which one are these traditional values? If they cannot be changed, then why Turkey applied in the first place?

[Murtaza]

Kifeas for money, what about you? Do you think you are culturaly European?

Do you think you are like french people or German people? British?

[Kifeas]

Kifeas do you think, They treat Turkey fairly?

Certainly there is a serious image problem as well! This image problem stems from European perceptions but mostly from what they actually see in practice. Turkey has to work very hard and change this image. I believe with hard work it is possible.

[Nickp]

Hi Kahn,

I think your view on Turkey and the EU is a little cynical.

Turkey has been offered full membership if they can forfill all the requirements.

The perception that people like yourself have of Turkey as unwelcomed guests is mostly due that there is far more implications of Turkey joining in comparison to past countries that have joined. Hence there is more friction weather it concerns, economic concerns, migration and law and alot of rights viloation issues, etc..

As for EU wishes, what exactly do you mean? In any negotiation there is give and take but at the same time you must adhere to set of rules concerning legislation and law if a respective country wants to join the EU.

There's at lease 10 -15 years before Turkey will join and even though that most Turkish poeple would view a priviledged partnership as a ugly idea, i'm sure it would benefit Turkey far more than nothing at all. Even if they get priviledged partnership who's not to say that full membership can't be reached after that depending on how Turkey develops as a nation.

As for Cyprus being let in, i think you have Rauf Denktash and the Turkish government to thank for that. Their instrangence role over the last 3 decades gave the outside world no choice. I think the Annan referendum was a wasted opportunity as it seemed for the first time ever, Turkey was willing to make a minimal compromise in order to get out of the current Cyprus situation. In all honesty, when 75% of the majority population on the island is saying 'no', and "60%" of the minority population saying "yes", it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that the plan is unbalanced.

As for the EU not fulfilling any of the rhetoric about direct flights, aid, free trade. I don't know why the EU as not done anything towards this, why dont you ask them out right? All i can say is that i'm glad this has not happend as any incentive for a solution would have been deminished as the TC side would have been happy by being self sufficent and i'm sure GC property would have been plundered and exploited on a far more greater scale.

I don't think Turkey not joining will backfire on the EU, what exactly would they lose that they can't get from eastern europe? Remember, it's Turkey who wants to join. And they would be well advised to chase after it as i think it will bring far more benefit than a union with it's other less attractive neighbours.

The choice is Turkeys....so far they seem to be on course, lets see what happens.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas for money, what about you? Do you think you are culturaly European?

Do you think you are like french people or German people? British?

In which ways do we differ?

[Turkey (( *]

Kifeas, are you that desparate for come back!! Answering a wuestion by asking a question!! And could you clarify what you meant by hard work??

As for Nickp, do you support first establishing a Bizonal system before complete unification in Cyprus??

[Murtaza]

So you think you have not much different than EU people?

I am not always sure if entering EU will be better or not. They are such isolated, they live in heaven and they accuse people for one thing or an other thing.

Greeks also isolating herself, what a stupid politics. Give Turkey power for decreasing her aggresivness. nonsense. Infact you are right, This is also politics of GC, isnt It? You are not much different than EU.

EU need energy, They lost their initiative, and I am not sure Turkey will be enough for this.

By The way, This is not image problem.

this is reality, before Ataturk, Europe is our enemy. I am not sure It changed so much.

And They know this, They dont want to make Turkey as one of them, but they cannot say she "NO". Because enemity of Turkey will be a real problem for Europeans.


And yes, You are right we are different than EU, even people who live in Istanbul is different.

So do they need asian people? Question is this. Or will they jail themself to their old castle.

[Turkey (( *]

I also wanna add a small thing to Murtaza's reply, EU needs young and hard working population, needs alternative energy source(mineral boron, very productive elements, 90% lies under Turkey) and will need water supply(this is long-term talking, not present time). So in long term THEY need us, for short-term we need them!

[Nickp]

As for Nickp, do you support first establishing a Bizonal system before complete unification in Cyprus??

Hi Turkey, i'm not too clued up on the terminology but i'm sure a fair solution can be reached, there just seems to be political will lacking but gaining ground. By bizonal if you mean this two state solution under a united cyprus i think it will be a good basis as it will create a comfort factor for the two communities on the island having their own portion to run. Maybe 40/50 years into the future after a solution is reached things may have to be reviewed as i'm sure the demographics of the island will change as people will mingle again.

At the moment the situation on the ground is that two communities are living in harmony in a bitter situation on a heavy militarised island. If they can live in peace in such a situation i'm sure they will thrive under a solution.

Again, it's just getting that solution.

[Turkey (( *]

Exactly, that is what I believe too, I also think that there is no copy of what happened in Cyprus in the World, am I wrong??