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[Get Real!]

people said blacks would never have rights in America.

look at how much has changed from 1974 to now in America.

In 1776, Europeans said Americans just don’t have the common sense to be independent, and by Golly to this day it still holds true...

[NikosGB23]

The Cyprus problem is a modern day anomaly, where Turkey has ethnically cleansed the indigenous population and altered the demographics of a sovereign nation. Nicosia is the only divided capital in the world. All this happened in 1974 and between 160,000-200,000 people are still denied the right to return to their homes. (This would have been the equivalent of about 110 million people in the USA). Have a read:

http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/overview.html

Simon..I read and I have a few question for you or anyone with answers....

is there a reason they (Turkey) invaded???

Did the Greece come and help the Cypriots?

Why are there so many Russians here..Did they have anything to do with it?


Once again am just aa outsider here on Vacation trying to get a glimps of this beautiful Island.

Unbias knowledge is power

plus you must understand jb, what the TCs have to hold on to isnt rightfully theirs.

You also forgot to tell him how much GCc have that doesn't belong to them either since 74. Not forgetting between 1963 to 74 when 103 vilages were ethnically cleansed by your heroic eoka. Or did I talk out of turn?

hmm you seem to leve out that of which Turky has thats not rightfully theirs. And when did i ever say EOKA was heroic? and the ethnical cleansing by the Turks in the North? and Turkey?! are you kidding YFred get your facts straight

[NikosGB23]

The Cyprus problem is a modern day anomaly, where Turkey has ethnically cleansed the indigenous population and altered the demographics of a sovereign nation. Nicosia is the only divided capital in the world. All this happened in 1974 and between 160,000-200,000 people are still denied the right to return to their homes. (This would have been the equivalent of about 110 million people in the USA). Have a read:

http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/overview.html

Simon..I read and I have a few question for you or anyone with answers....

is there a reason they (Turkey) invaded???

Did the Greece come and help the Cypriots?

Why are there so many Russians here..Did they have anything to do with it?


Once again am just aa outsider here on Vacation trying to get a glimps of this beautiful Island.

Unbias knowledge is power

okay JB, trying to get any infromation thats unbias on the forum is impossible. each side has their pros, and cons.

if you want the truth then let a fellow Greek Cypriot American tell you. Cyprus has been around for ages with many invasions, occupations, and other things like that. but to answer your question for the current GC(Greek Cypriot)-TC(Turkish Cypriot) dispute is complicated. Greeks and Turks have never got along since probably ancient times. And Both sides claim they have equal rights to the island because they both claim that they have had an ethnical presence on the island for many years. but the cause of the invasion was because of an attack on the Cypriot government by Greek extremists from Greece. they sided with EOKA(The Cypriot national guard) and tried to over throw the president at the time (Makarios)and make it part of Greece(also known as ENOSIS). Turkey, seeing that their fellow Turkish Cypriots were being attacked, sent in 200,000 troops to protect their people. but Turkey then siezed the northern part of Cyprus and established their own, illegal government which only Turkey acknowledges. Turkey still occupies the island militarily to this day. i hope that answers your question, as i believe this explanition to be unbias. i may not have gotten everything, but that should help you a little.

Sorry but this part is wrong. No Turkish Cypriots were attacked in 1974 before the invasion. So Turkey did not invade because it saw TCs being attacked!

Turkey intervened to restore the constitutional order violated by one of the guarantors Greece and it's extensions in Cyprus.

When Turkey arrived Cyprus to restore the constitutional order, not only the coupists and major part of NG under command of Sampson but all GCs who were able to combat(CIA report mentions around 50.000 armed GCs and Greeks) engaged a counter offensive against Turkish Peace Forces. Thus, both sides suffered great number of human losses.

During the combat, vast majority of TCs who were living in Souther part of Cyprus fled to Northern part and GCs who were living in Northern part of Cyprus fled to Souther part of Cyprus in order to save their lives.

Even after the 2nd phase of Turkish intervention, the pro-coupist, irregulars of EOKA-B were still threatening the newly installed president of Cyprus, ex-president-Makarios and Turkey with waging a guerilla warfare.

Folowing the events of 1974, talks initiated in Vienna, Geneva etc regarding the restoration of the constitution but since then no mutually agreed solution has been found.

because their island was under attack by invading forces.

[YFred]

The Cyprus problem is a modern day anomaly, where Turkey has ethnically cleansed the indigenous population and altered the demographics of a sovereign nation. Nicosia is the only divided capital in the world. All this happened in 1974 and between 160,000-200,000 people are still denied the right to return to their homes. (This would have been the equivalent of about 110 million people in the USA). Have a read:

http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/overview.html

Simon..I read and I have a few question for you or anyone with answers....

is there a reason they (Turkey) invaded???

Did the Greece come and help the Cypriots?

Why are there so many Russians here..Did they have anything to do with it?


Once again am just aa outsider here on Vacation trying to get a glimps of this beautiful Island.

Unbias knowledge is power

plus you must understand jb, what the TCs have to hold on to isnt rightfully theirs.

You also forgot to tell him how much GCc have that doesn't belong to them either since 74. Not forgetting between 1963 to 74 when 103 vilages were ethnically cleansed by your heroic eoka. Or did I talk out of turn?

hmm you seem to leve out that of which Turky has thats not rightfully theirs. And when did i ever say EOKA was heroic? and the ethnical cleansing by the Turks in the North? and Turkey?! are you kidding YFred get your facts straight

You already mentioned the Turks, no need for me to mention them too and did not disagree with what you said. I was merely adding on things which were obviously missed. I thought it was quite balanced but some obvious omissions.

[insan]

The Cyprus problem is a modern day anomaly, where Turkey has ethnically cleansed the indigenous population and altered the demographics of a sovereign nation. Nicosia is the only divided capital in the world. All this happened in 1974 and between 160,000-200,000 people are still denied the right to return to their homes. (This would have been the equivalent of about 110 million people in the USA). Have a read:

http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/overview.html

Simon..I read and I have a few question for you or anyone with answers....

is there a reason they (Turkey) invaded???

Did the Greece come and help the Cypriots?

Why are there so many Russians here..Did they have anything to do with it?


Once again am just aa outsider here on Vacation trying to get a glimps of this beautiful Island.

Unbias knowledge is power

okay JB, trying to get any infromation thats unbias on the forum is impossible. each side has their pros, and cons.

if you want the truth then let a fellow Greek Cypriot American tell you. Cyprus has been around for ages with many invasions, occupations, and other things like that. but to answer your question for the current GC(Greek Cypriot)-TC(Turkish Cypriot) dispute is complicated. Greeks and Turks have never got along since probably ancient times. And Both sides claim they have equal rights to the island because they both claim that they have had an ethnical presence on the island for many years. but the cause of the invasion was because of an attack on the Cypriot government by Greek extremists from Greece. they sided with EOKA(The Cypriot national guard) and tried to over throw the president at the time (Makarios)and make it part of Greece(also known as ENOSIS). Turkey, seeing that their fellow Turkish Cypriots were being attacked, sent in 200,000 troops to protect their people. but Turkey then siezed the northern part of Cyprus and established their own, illegal government which only Turkey acknowledges. Turkey still occupies the island militarily to this day. i hope that answers your question, as i believe this explanition to be unbias. i may not have gotten everything, but that should help you a little.

Sorry but this part is wrong. No Turkish Cypriots were attacked in 1974 before the invasion. So Turkey did not invade because it saw TCs being attacked!

Turkey intervened to restore the constitutional order violated by one of the guarantors Greece and it's extensions in Cyprus.

When Turkey arrived Cyprus to restore the constitutional order, not only the coupists and major part of NG under command of Sampson but all GCs who were able to combat(CIA report mentions around 50.000 armed GCs and Greeks) engaged a counter offensive against Turkish Peace Forces. Thus, both sides suffered great number of human losses.

During the combat, vast majority of TCs who were living in Souther part of Cyprus fled to Northern part and GCs who were living in Northern part of Cyprus fled to Souther part of Cyprus in order to save their lives.

Even after the 2nd phase of Turkish intervention, the pro-coupist, irregulars of EOKA-B were still threatening the newly installed president of Cyprus, ex-president-Makarios and Turkey with waging a guerilla warfare.

Folowing the events of 1974, talks initiated in Vienna, Geneva etc regarding the restoration of the constitution but since then no mutually agreed solution has been found.

because their island was under attack by invading forces.

Their island was not under attack by Turkish peace Forces, their government was under control of an illegal administration. First the pro-coup armed forces fired towards heading Turkish peace forces. Don't forget that how much this islands belongs to GCs as much it belongs to TCs.

[Simon]

The Cyprus problem is a modern day anomaly, where Turkey has ethnically cleansed the indigenous population and altered the demographics of a sovereign nation. Nicosia is the only divided capital in the world. All this happened in 1974 and between 160,000-200,000 people are still denied the right to return to their homes. (This would have been the equivalent of about 110 million people in the USA). Have a read:

http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/overview.html

Simon..I read and I have a few question for you or anyone with answers....

is there a reason they (Turkey) invaded???

Did the Greece come and help the Cypriots?

Why are there so many Russians here..Did they have anything to do with it?


Once again am just aa outsider here on Vacation trying to get a glimps of this beautiful Island.

Unbias knowledge is power

okay JB, trying to get any infromation thats unbias on the forum is impossible. each side has their pros, and cons.

if you want the truth then let a fellow Greek Cypriot American tell you. Cyprus has been around for ages with many invasions, occupations, and other things like that. but to answer your question for the current GC(Greek Cypriot)-TC(Turkish Cypriot) dispute is complicated. Greeks and Turks have never got along since probably ancient times. And Both sides claim they have equal rights to the island because they both claim that they have had an ethnical presence on the island for many years. but the cause of the invasion was because of an attack on the Cypriot government by Greek extremists from Greece. they sided with EOKA(The Cypriot national guard) and tried to over throw the president at the time (Makarios)and make it part of Greece(also known as ENOSIS). Turkey, seeing that their fellow Turkish Cypriots were being attacked, sent in 200,000 troops to protect their people. but Turkey then siezed the northern part of Cyprus and established their own, illegal government which only Turkey acknowledges. Turkey still occupies the island militarily to this day. i hope that answers your question, as i believe this explanition to be unbias. i may not have gotten everything, but that should help you a little.

Sorry but this part is wrong. No Turkish Cypriots were attacked in 1974 before the invasion. So Turkey did not invade because it saw TCs being attacked!

Turkey intervened to restore the constitutional order violated by one of the guarantors Greece and it's extensions in Cyprus.

When Turkey arrived Cyprus to restore the constitutional order, not only the coupists and major part of NG under command of Sampson but all GCs who were able to combat(CIA report mentions around 50.000 armed GCs and Greeks) engaged a counter offensive against Turkish Peace Forces. Thus, both sides suffered great number of human losses.

During the combat, vast majority of TCs who were living in Souther part of Cyprus fled to Northern part and GCs who were living in Northern part of Cyprus fled to Souther part of Cyprus in order to save their lives.

Even after the 2nd phase of Turkish intervention, the pro-coupist, irregulars of EOKA-B were still threatening the newly installed president of Cyprus, ex-president-Makarios and Turkey with waging a guerilla warfare.

Folowing the events of 1974, talks initiated in Vienna, Geneva etc regarding the restoration of the constitution but since then no mutually agreed solution has been found.

Turkey invaded Cyprus raping children, killing women, dropping napalm bombs and forcing the GC population to flee. Turkey's intention was never to restore the Constitution, but to implement a plan that was hatched in the 1950s, partition (Taksim). Hence this is what we have today. Even once the two sides had declared a ceasefire, Turkey breached this by continuing the invasion, killing more people and forcing the inhabitants of Varosha to flee, which is still a ghost town to this day. Turkey does not allow any of the legal inhabitants to return, and has allowed the selling of properties illegally, a change in the demographics of the island and has looted Greek Cypriot relics. Turkey has had many chances to restore the 1960 Constitution, and could still probably do so, but it refuses to. Even the United Nations questioned the legality of the continued Turkish occupation under the Treaty of Guarantee. The occupation has been declared as illegal by the United Nations, and the puppet state "TRNC" has not been recognised by anybody except Turkey.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu--i stay in Redondo Beach it just outside of LA and I live in San Diego and up north in San Luis obispo
Yeah most of my family still live in Miami or Chicago.

I think San Diego is one of the best cities in the country. Redondo Beach is not a bad small city either. As for San Luis Opisbo, it's only a college town, but you have only scratched the surface, because there are many other great places in California, so I'm a little puzzled as to why you think California does not match up to Cyprus.?

[jb1212]

people said blacks would never have rights in America.

look at how much has changed from 1974 to now in America.

In 1776, Europeans said Americans just don’t have the common sense to be independent, and by Golly to this day it still holds true...

What are we or I dependent on?

Well since coming to this island I think am getting dependent on Sharks because I can't find any Redbulls to keep me going to 6am in limassol....

[bill cobbett]

people said blacks would never have rights in America.

look at how much has changed from 1974 to now in America.

In 1776, Europeans said Americans just don’t have the common sense to be independent, and by Golly to this day it still holds true...

What are we or I dependent on?

Well since coming to this island I think am getting dependent on Sharks because I can't find any Redbulls to keep me going to 6am in limassol....

What the feck are you boys doing in Limassol? It's full of bleeding pushtoRussians.

[YFred]

people said blacks would never have rights in America.

look at how much has changed from 1974 to now in America.

In 1776, Europeans said Americans just don’t have the common sense to be independent, and by Golly to this day it still holds true...

What are we or I dependent on?

Well since coming to this island I think am getting dependent on Sharks because I can't find any Redbulls to keep me going to 6am in limassol....

What the feck are you boys doing in Limassol? It's full of bleeding pushtoRussians.

Is Kickapoo aware of this fact?