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[Paphitis]

"Tel Aviv, however, had no intention on sharing the revenues with Palestine. "

Beg pardon, Paphitis. The capital of Israel is JERUSALEM.

Is that all you can come up with? I think you will find that most countries recognize Tel Aviv as Israel's Capital, and this is why all nations have their embassies there.

You seem to judge the Palestinians rather too harshly because they are defending themselves against Israeli War Crimes....You call them terrorists! It is such a shame that you do not judge Israel's actions with at least equal harshness.

[Paphitis]

And further reading of your post shows you know fuck-all about the situation.

I posted that article because I found it interesting and because it expressed an alternative view to that which we are force fed through our media, which some of us here do not swallow without looking at both ends of the argument with reason and rationale...We are not all sheep you know, and some of us have a brain and can work things out for ourselves.

Have you ever been Israel? Please tell us exactly what it is you know.

[Linichka]

Paphitis: I am Israeli.

[Talisker]

TALISKER WROTE:
""""but some of us try to consider the situations that have lead these individuals to take such drastic decisions and actions. """

I would have responded at length but seeing that you posted the above nonsense I shall ignore you.

What exactly mate are the situations that have demanded these "individuals " commit cold blooded murder . Killing them selves and taking along with them innocent men women and children. Individuals you say ??
Are you mad , these are savages of the worst kind , only sick minds could possibly interpret these barbaric acts as anything other than the acts of savages .
As for the shades of gray that you see I suggest you examine your views , we are not talking about suicide killers targeting the enemy we are seeing these savages target their own people , open your eyes and see what in reality these barbarians are achieving. I detest each and every one of them and I can not comprehend how any one can possibly justify , and you do justify , such horrendous barbaric massacres.

LISTEN PEOPLE - THERE IS ONE VIEW, AND ONLY ONE VIEW, THAT IS CORRECT. WHOSE VIEW WOULD THAT BE? WELL, MILTIADES, OF COURSE.

Even attempts at civilised, gentle, logical, and rational discussion, such as I posted earlier, result in instant dismissal and abuse. Apparently I am a 'plonker' because I disagree with him! (I feel like I've finally 'made it' on CF now!).

Bloody hell Miltiades, you really are like a broken record with the same rants trotted out time after time. Clearly you are only interested in western domination and suppression of the 'poorer' parts of the world whether it is by military or other means. Stop and think for a minute! Most of this political, military, financial suppression is for the maintenance of Western-type societies (and essentially a tiny elite within this), and an essential part of this is control of land with access to vital resources (oil, gas, water, minerals, etc). In terms of total world population The West is a small fraction, and what right do we have to keep The Rest in poverty, sickness, oppression, and state of war? Sometimes desperate people fight back - hence the suicide bomber atrocities.

I've been incredibly fortunate - always had food on the table, good medical help, live in sanitary conditions - most of the world population don't have those vital 'basics'. I'm guessing that suits you fine if that means you maintain your current lifestyle, and explains your dismissive attitude of those who are oppressed, in particular by the US and Israel, and those who disagree with your attitude.

Who's the 'plonker' now?

[Paphitis]

Paphitis: I am Israeli.

Then go ahead and tell us why Israel is justified in violating Palestinian Human Rights?

Do you believe Israel should withdraw to its pre 1967 border?

Personally, I believe Israel should withdraw to its pre 47 lines, but with some special arrangements made for both Israeli's and Palestinians to share the holy city of Jerusalem, although it does not seem to be geographically possible.

[Linichka]

Then go ahead and tell us why Israel is justified in violating Palestinian Human Rights? LET THEM CEASE ALL TERRORISM. IN THE MEANTIME, THEIR LIVES ARE BEAUTIFUL, COMPARED TO OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES.
Do you believe Israel should withdraw to its pre 1967 border? NO. THEY LOST THAT WAR, AND THE WARS WHICH FOLLOWED. FUCK 'EM.

Personally, I believe Israel should withdraw to its pre 47 lines, PRE-47? IN OTHER WORDS, WANKER, WE SHOULD CEASE TO EXIST?but with some special arrangements made for both Israeli's and Palestinians to share the holy city of Jerusalem, although it does not seem to be geographically possible. ALREADY WE "SHARE" JERUSALEM AND WELL. JEWS, CHRISTIANS AND MOSLEMS HAVE FULL RIGHTS AND ACCESS. DO YOU KNOW HOW IT WAS PRIOR TO '67? THAT WILL NEVER AGAIN BE PERMITTED.

[Linichka]

And, Paphitis, you have been to my country how many times?

[Paphitis]

Then go ahead and tell us why Israel is justified in violating Palestinian Human Rights? LET THEM CEASE ALL TERRORISM. IN THE MEANTIME, THEIR LIVES ARE BEAUTIFUL, COMPARED TO OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES.
Do you believe Israel should withdraw to its pre 1967 border? NO. THEY LOST THAT WAR, AND THE WARS WHICH FOLLOWED. FUCK 'EM.

Personally, I believe Israel should withdraw to its pre 47 lines, PRE-47? IN OTHER WORDS, WANKER, WE SHOULD CEASE TO EXIST?but with some special arrangements made for both Israeli's and Palestinians to share the holy city of Jerusalem, although it does not seem to be geographically possible. ALREADY WE "SHARE" JERUSALEM AND WELL. JEWS, CHRISTIANS AND MOSLEMS HAVE FULL RIGHTS AND ACCESS. DO YOU KNOW HOW IT WAS PRIOR TO '67? THAT WILL NEVER AGAIN BE PERMITTED.

So in other words you endorse the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinians.

Other nations share your view, including Turkey. Just because you had "won" the war, you seem to draw justification is suppressing Palestinians, stealing their lands, bulldozing their villages, restrict their movement, restrict their trade, even forbid vital medical supplies from entering the Strip, and killing them by their thousands!

So who exactly are the terrorists? Israelis such as you, or the Palestinians?

How on earth are 1,500,000 people suppose to live in and area of 360 sq kms? You subject them to intense suppression, and force them to live in such squalor. They are amongst the poorest people in the world. What did you expect them to do? Just accept it and not resist?

They have no other choice but to fight you, any way they can. They don't have the mighty arsenal of weapons that Israel does.

[Linichka]

Again, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. "Ethnic cleansing"? That's what is happening in Sudan. What happened during the Nazi regime. The Pals are not being expelled from the State of Israel or denied rights. While I doubt most would weep if the ever-whining Pals elected to immigrate to other countries, such as Jordan (which, you doubtless do not realize, is 70% of British Mandate Palestine), no one is pushing them.

Again, they enjoy far more rights than they would in Arabic countries.

Again, you have been here how often? For how long?

[Talisker]

This is an interesting exchange about the right (or not) of Israel to exist, although slightly off topic as Miltiades was letting rip about suicide bombers again, with no indications of any understanding as to why someone might want to blow themselves (and, tragically, others) up.

But while you are discussing this topic Linichka and Paphitis, you might like to consider the distortion of history for political ends in Israel. This is done in a systematic manner, encouraged by the state, by promotion of all Jewish-related archaeological findings through preservation, publication, engagement with the public, and even conversion to tourist or commercial ventures, whereas similar sites which show presence of Christians/Palestinians/other non-Jews are discreetly destroyed e.g. by building roads over them.