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Is that really the point shouldnt you be concentrating on the mentality that can carry out such vile acts against their so called "brothers", this clearly shows your aim is not to address the real issues but to deflectit right back at the victims, which is a sick way of thinking.

Yes, VP, I'm concentrating on the mentality of all those who had used these victims for their own gain, which you yourself also had done before and again now for your own propaganda purposes, so shame on you, that the only way to counter the cartoon posted by The Cypriot, was to use these poor victims one more time. Did you get off in doing this or is it just an old habit with you.?

Actually there are two crimes committed here, and both against the same victims. The first crime committed by those who murdered them, and the second by those who had piled them on top of each other like "sacks of potatoes" to photograph them for maximum shock effect and have been using them ever since 1963. Their pain in the hands of their murderers lasted a very short time, but their spiritual pain has been on going since '63 in the hands of the Fascist propagandist masquerading as their own people. The murder scene is even used by the north for their military training during "brainwashing session" on the young TC men. So you tell me VP, as to whose mentality are we to examine more, the murderers of these victims or the Fascist Propagandist by using this picture of the murdered victims when ever possible..??

The murders who pulled the trigger on innocent babies, without who we would not be discussing this matter today anything else is just a twisted mentality trying to excuse such a brutal act.

You are not discussing this incident in a sincere or in a meaningful way, but only using it as a cheap propaganda tool, and I say it again, shame on you.!

I can relate to this incident, because about the exact same time these murders occurred, myself and 8 other family members plus neighbours were all in a room hiding from the fighting when we were discovered by the GC soldiers with their guns pointing at us in Küçük Kaymakli in December 1963. We could have all ended up the same way as these poor people did in the bathtub, about 20 of us, mostly kids could have been gunned down, and perhaps the same propagandist would have come along later and piled all our bodies on top of each other just like "sack of Potatoes" for that perfect picture for their perverted cause, and you today, VP, could have propagandised our dead bodies in a similar fashion. Oh, what a perfect picture that would have made for you, all 20 dead bodies in a pile.!

Well, VP, we were not gunned down like dogs but we were taken as captives and have lived to tell our experiences, much to your disappointment, I'm sure, for missing out on that "perfect picture".!

You were one of the lucky ones many were not and did not live to tell the tale, maybe you should spend more of your effort exposing the GCs who killed these innocent babies.

[Kikapu]

Is that really the point shouldnt you be concentrating on the mentality that can carry out such vile acts against their so called "brothers", this clearly shows your aim is not to address the real issues but to deflectit right back at the victims, which is a sick way of thinking.

Yes, VP, I'm concentrating on the mentality of all those who had used these victims for their own gain, which you yourself also had done before and again now for your own propaganda purposes, so shame on you, that the only way to counter the cartoon posted by The Cypriot, was to use these poor victims one more time. Did you get off in doing this or is it just an old habit with you.?

Actually there are two crimes committed here, and both against the same victims. The first crime committed by those who murdered them, and the second by those who had piled them on top of each other like "sacks of potatoes" to photograph them for maximum shock effect and have been using them ever since 1963. Their pain in the hands of their murderers lasted a very short time, but their spiritual pain has been on going since '63 in the hands of the Fascist propagandist masquerading as their own people. The murder scene is even used by the north for their military training during "brainwashing session" on the young TC men. So you tell me VP, as to whose mentality are we to examine more, the murderers of these victims or the Fascist Propagandist by using this picture of the murdered victims when ever possible..??

The murders who pulled the trigger on innocent babies, without who we would not be discussing this matter today anything else is just a twisted mentality trying to excuse such a brutal act.

You are not discussing this incident in a sincere or in a meaningful way, but only using it as a cheap propaganda tool, and I say it again, shame on you.!

I can relate to this incident, because about the exact same time these murders occurred, myself and 8 other family members plus neighbours were all in a room hiding from the fighting when we were discovered by the GC soldiers with their guns pointing at us in Küçük Kaymakli in December 1963. We could have all ended up the same way as these poor people did in the bathtub, about 20 of us, mostly kids could have been gunned down, and perhaps the same propagandist would have come along later and piled all our bodies on top of each other just like "sack of Potatoes" for that perfect picture for their perverted cause, and you today, VP, could have propagandised our dead bodies in a similar fashion. Oh, what a perfect picture that would have made for you, all 20 dead bodies in a pile.!

Well, VP, we were not gunned down like dogs but we were taken as captives and have lived to tell our experiences, much to your disappointment, I'm sure, for missing out on that "perfect picture".!

You were one of the lucky ones many were not and did not live to tell the tale, maybe you should spend more of your effort exposing the GCs who killed these innocent babies.

The debate was not about who killed them. Who ever did it, clearly are not humans. The debate was about using them for propaganda. They had been violated twice, once by their killers and then by their propagandist since 1963 by placing them in the bathtub for that "perfect picture".!

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The impact is sickening which ever position the children were put in, this is something you will never understand.

[YFred]

Is that really the point shouldnt you be concentrating on the mentality that can carry out such vile acts against their so called "brothers", this clearly shows your aim is not to address the real issues but to deflectit right back at the victims, which is a sick way of thinking.

Yes, VP, I'm concentrating on the mentality of all those who had used these victims for their own gain, which you yourself also had done before and again now for your own propaganda purposes, so shame on you, that the only way to counter the cartoon posted by The Cypriot, was to use these poor victims one more time. Did you get off in doing this or is it just an old habit with you.?

Actually there are two crimes committed here, and both against the same victims. The first crime committed by those who murdered them, and the second by those who had piled them on top of each other like "sacks of potatoes" to photograph them for maximum shock effect and have been using them ever since 1963. Their pain in the hands of their murderers lasted a very short time, but their spiritual pain has been on going since '63 in the hands of the Fascist propagandist masquerading as their own people. The murder scene is even used by the north for their military training during "brainwashing session" on the young TC men. So you tell me VP, as to whose mentality are we to examine more, the murderers of these victims or the Fascist Propagandist by using this picture of the murdered victims when ever possible..??

The murders who pulled the trigger on innocent babies, without who we would not be discussing this matter today anything else is just a twisted mentality trying to excuse such a brutal act.

You are not discussing this incident in a sincere or in a meaningful way, but only using it as a cheap propaganda tool, and I say it again, shame on you.!

I can relate to this incident, because about the exact same time these murders occurred, myself and 8 other family members plus neighbours were all in a room hiding from the fighting when we were discovered by the GC soldiers with their guns pointing at us in Küçük Kaymakli in December 1963. We could have all ended up the same way as these poor people did in the bathtub, about 20 of us, mostly kids could have been gunned down, and perhaps the same propagandist would have come along later and piled all our bodies on top of each other just like "sack of Potatoes" for that perfect picture for their perverted cause, and you today, VP, could have propagandised our dead bodies in a similar fashion. Oh, what a perfect picture that would have made for you, all 20 dead bodies in a pile.!

Well, VP, we were not gunned down like dogs but we were taken as captives and have lived to tell our experiences, much to your disappointment, I'm sure, for missing out on that "perfect picture".!

You were one of the lucky ones many were not and did not live to tell the tale, maybe you should spend more of your effort exposing the GCs who killed these innocent babies.

The debate was not about who killed them. Who ever did it, clearly are not humans. The debate was about using them for propaganda. They had been violated twice, once by their killers and then by their propagandist since 1963 by placing them in the bathtub for that "perfect picture".!

Are the two actions really equal, you demented maniac.

[Kikapu]

The impact is sickening which ever position the children were put in, this is something you will never understand.

I understand fully well, that dead children in no matter what form they were found, would have been horrible, but quite clearly, it was not horrific enough to the propagandist, so they felt like they had to enhance the horrifying scene even more, and it worked, has it not.? There are many pictures of the dead since 1960, but not as memorable as this one in the bathtub. There are even questions as to who murdered them. I grew up all my life from age 8 believing it was the GCs who did this, but then you wonder if that was really the case sometimes given the fact what the propagandist are capable of.!

More information from AFRIKA on the bathroom massacre incident. Turkish Cypriot daily AFRIKA newspaper (28.02.07) reports in its first page that there is new information on the issue of the bathroom massacre incident. (TR. Note: The incident took place in 1963, where a Turkish Cypriot family was found dead in the bathroom of its house. The Turkish Cypriot side supports that the family was killed by Greek Cypriot guerrillas). AFRIKAs columnist Sener Levent reports, inter alia, in his daily Column Point of View that there is the need to clarify this issue. Mr Levent goes on and writes that the paper received two more pieces of information on this issue yesterday: The first one is related to Hasan Kudum who was hurt during the bathroom massacre incident but he did not lose his life. Asked by his friends if those who came to kill them spoke between them Greek or Turkish, Hasan Kudum stated: There were persons who spoke Greek and there were persons who spoke Turkish. The second information is related to a person who was known under the name Bozkurt (Grey wolf) and later it was found out that his real name was Kenan Coskun. Nihat Ilhan, whose wife and three children were killed in the incident, went to Kenan Coskun and asked him: Has the organisation killed my family in order to secure the intervention of Turkey in the island?. The answer given by Kenan Coskun and bothered Nihat Ilhan was the following: Go and take revenge. He did not tell him from where to take revenge, writes Sener Levent. (CS)

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/200 ... pr.html#07

[hasanaggi]

Kikapu

just so that ive got this right.

i dont want to re-read eight pages of posts

are you suggesting that the mother and her children were not murdered in the bath?

[Get Real!]

Kikapu

just so that ive got this right.

i dont want to re-read eight pages of posts

are you suggesting that the mother and her children were not murdered in the bath?

I haven't followed the thread but a bullet striking the glass tub would smash it to pieces. They were definitely moved there and piled up by someone.

[hasanaggi]

looking at that photo again i see two kiddies and possibly a third. i cant make out a mother.

Now if i were to take a photo for propanganda purposes, id make sure that all the bodies were clealry visible. Also to emphasise the horror i'd have used colour film in order to clearly show the colour of the blood.

Dry blood really does look sicker in colour.


i really dont understand the point with which you are having your problem.

We accept that during the invasion thousands of you were killed. Many of you probably, as brutally as these babies were.

If we are to move forward with Cyprob then we should all start to accept and acknowledge the horrors of our country's history and not attempt to re-write it.

[hasanaggi]

and as for GR's command of "SHUT IT"

we are longer living under Makarios rule...................the days of your lot telling my lot what to do are over.

[zan]

Kikapu

just so that ive got this right.

i dont want to re-read eight pages of posts

are you suggesting that the mother and her children were not murdered in the bath?

I haven't followed the thread but a bullet striking the glass tub would smash it to pieces. They were definitely moved there and piled up by someone.

They were moved GR. It was documented. I can't remember where I read it now but the photographer confessed to this. I use the word "confessed" because that is the way you guys like to look at these things. Of course taking a picture of a pile of washing that the children where hidden harder would have made a much better picture... Perhaps a picture of a patch of ground would prove there are people still buried under there

(I have not read the thread either so sorry if I have gone over the same stuff)