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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:17 am

Quote from President Johnson's letter to Prime Minister İnönü of Turkey, 5 June 1964:

Dear Mr Prime Minister: I am gravely concerned by the information which I have had through Ambassador Hare from you and your Foreign Minister that the Turkish Government is contemplating a decision to intervene by military force to occupy a portion of Cyprus... Ambassador Hare has indicated that you have postponed your decision for a few hours in order to obtain my views.
It is my impression that you believe that such intervention by Turkey is permissible under the provisions of the Treaty of Guarantee of 1960. I must call your attention, however, to our understanding that the proposed intervention by Turkey would be for the purpose of effecting a form of partition on the island, a solution which is specifically excluded by the Treaty of Guarantee...
Further, Mr Prime Minister, I am concerned about the obligations of Turkey as a member of the United Nations...
I have no doubt that the general membership of the United Nations would react in the strongest terms to unilateral action by Turkey which would defy the efforts fo the United Nations and destroy any prospect that the United Nations could assist in obtaining a reasonable and peaceful settlement of this difficult problem.
I wish also, Mr Prime Minister, to call your attention to the bilateral agreement between the United States and Turkey in the field of military assistance. Under Article IV of the Agreement with Turkey of July 1947, your Government is required to obtain United States consent for the use of military assistance for purposes other than those for which such assistance was furnished..."


If the purpose of the propaganda campaign based on the murder of Nihat İlhan's children was to secure a full-scale Turkish military intervention, then I am afraid that the 'Johnson letter' put a halt to that.
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:27 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Quote from President Johnson's letter to Prime Minister İnönü of Turkey, 5 June 1964:

Dear Mr Prime Minister: I am gravely concerned by the information which I have had through Ambassador Hare from you and your Foreign Minister that the Turkish Government is contemplating a decision to intervene by military force to occupy a portion of Cyprus... Ambassador Hare has indicated that you have postponed your decision for a few hours in order to obtain my views.
It is my impression that you believe that such intervention by Turkey is permissible under the provisions of the Treaty of Guarantee of 1960. I must call your attention, however, to our understanding that the proposed intervention by Turkey would be for the purpose of effecting a form of partition on the island, a solution which is specifically excluded by the Treaty of Guarantee...
Further, Mr Prime Minister, I am concerned about the obligations of Turkey as a member of the United Nations...
I have no doubt that the general membership of the United Nations would react in the strongest terms to unilateral action by Turkey which would defy the efforts fo the United Nations and destroy any prospect that the United Nations could assist in obtaining a reasonable and peaceful settlement of this difficult problem.
I wish also, Mr Prime Minister, to call your attention to the bilateral agreement between the United States and Turkey in the field of military assistance. Under Article IV of the Agreement with Turkey of July 1947, your Government is required to obtain United States consent for the use of military assistance for purposes other than those for which such assistance was furnished..."


If the purpose of the propaganda campaign based on the murder of Nihat İlhan's children was to secure a full-scale Turkish military intervention, then I am afraid that the 'Johnson letter' put a halt to that.



Hmmm... "Dear Mr. Prime Minister" eh? :? Is it ur first joke, Tim? :lol:
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:47 am

insan wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Quote from President Johnson's letter to Prime Minister İnönü of Turkey, 5 June 1964:

Dear Mr Prime Minister: I am gravely concerned by the information which I have had through Ambassador Hare from you and your Foreign Minister that the Turkish Government is contemplating a decision to intervene by military force to occupy a portion of Cyprus... Ambassador Hare has indicated that you have postponed your decision for a few hours in order to obtain my views.
It is my impression that you believe that such intervention by Turkey is permissible under the provisions of the Treaty of Guarantee of 1960. I must call your attention, however, to our understanding that the proposed intervention by Turkey would be for the purpose of effecting a form of partition on the island, a solution which is specifically excluded by the Treaty of Guarantee...
Further, Mr Prime Minister, I am concerned about the obligations of Turkey as a member of the United Nations...
I have no doubt that the general membership of the United Nations would react in the strongest terms to unilateral action by Turkey which would defy the efforts fo the United Nations and destroy any prospect that the United Nations could assist in obtaining a reasonable and peaceful settlement of this difficult problem.
I wish also, Mr Prime Minister, to call your attention to the bilateral agreement between the United States and Turkey in the field of military assistance. Under Article IV of the Agreement with Turkey of July 1947, your Government is required to obtain United States consent for the use of military assistance for purposes other than those for which such assistance was furnished..."


If the purpose of the propaganda campaign based on the murder of Nihat İlhan's children was to secure a full-scale Turkish military intervention, then I am afraid that the 'Johnson letter' put a halt to that.



Hmmm... "Dear Mr. Prime Minister" eh? :? Is it ur first joke, Tim? :lol:


I found the full official text of the telegram. It really addresses to reciever as "Dear Mr. Prime Minister."

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocu ... -68v16/d54
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:53 am

insan wrote:
insan wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Quote from President Johnson's letter to Prime Minister İnönü of Turkey, 5 June 1964:

Dear Mr Prime Minister: I am gravely concerned by the information which I have had through Ambassador Hare from you and your Foreign Minister that the Turkish Government is contemplating a decision to intervene by military force to occupy a portion of Cyprus... Ambassador Hare has indicated that you have postponed your decision for a few hours in order to obtain my views.
It is my impression that you believe that such intervention by Turkey is permissible under the provisions of the Treaty of Guarantee of 1960. I must call your attention, however, to our understanding that the proposed intervention by Turkey would be for the purpose of effecting a form of partition on the island, a solution which is specifically excluded by the Treaty of Guarantee...
Further, Mr Prime Minister, I am concerned about the obligations of Turkey as a member of the United Nations...
I have no doubt that the general membership of the United Nations would react in the strongest terms to unilateral action by Turkey which would defy the efforts fo the United Nations and destroy any prospect that the United Nations could assist in obtaining a reasonable and peaceful settlement of this difficult problem.
I wish also, Mr Prime Minister, to call your attention to the bilateral agreement between the United States and Turkey in the field of military assistance. Under Article IV of the Agreement with Turkey of July 1947, your Government is required to obtain United States consent for the use of military assistance for purposes other than those for which such assistance was furnished..."


If the purpose of the propaganda campaign based on the murder of Nihat İlhan's children was to secure a full-scale Turkish military intervention, then I am afraid that the 'Johnson letter' put a halt to that.



Hmmm... "Dear Mr. Prime Minister" eh? :? Is it ur first joke, Tim? :lol:


I found the full official text of the telegram. It really addresses to reciever as "Dear Mr. Prime Minister."

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocu ... -68v16/d54


Why wouldn't he be addressed as Mr. Prime Minister.? :? :? :?

"1961: İnönü is appointed prime minister, and remains prime minister for 5 years through 2 appointments."
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:00 pm

Hmmm... just abt a month before Johnson's Letter, then the Turkish Foreign Minister, assured Johnson that turkey would not intervene...

Returning again to the importance of avoiding a shooting war, the President commented that we are worried about some signs of Turkish preparations, for example, the cancellation of leaves. Erkin explained that “we have to be prepared.” The President replied that he should tell Inonu right away of our admiration for him and how we count on his continued restraint. “Tell Inonu”, he said, “I haven't got a better friend. And I'm proud of your people. We are always going to be stout allies.” Erkin again assured him that the Turks would not intervene.



http://history.state.gov/historicaldocu ... -68v16/d37

What's happened in abt one month time, in June and Turkey informed Johnson regarding the intention of intervention?

The Greeks must not humiliate the Turks. We should go in and press Makarios as well. When Talbot commented that we had used up most of our leverage with Makarios, the President's reaction was that we should use up whatever was left if necessary.

Foreign Minister Erkin expressed his great appreciation for the President's words and assured him that his message to Inonu would be sent immediately. Ambassador Menemencioglu mentioned that the Turks had a second bit of good news while here—they had been assured by the Department of State that the US would not support any solution which would humiliate Turkey. The President fully agreed.




Children were killed in December, 1963.... :?
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:03 pm

Kikapu wrote:
insan wrote:
insan wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Quote from President Johnson's letter to Prime Minister İnönü of Turkey, 5 June 1964:

Dear Mr Prime Minister: I am gravely concerned by the information which I have had through Ambassador Hare from you and your Foreign Minister that the Turkish Government is contemplating a decision to intervene by military force to occupy a portion of Cyprus... Ambassador Hare has indicated that you have postponed your decision for a few hours in order to obtain my views.
It is my impression that you believe that such intervention by Turkey is permissible under the provisions of the Treaty of Guarantee of 1960. I must call your attention, however, to our understanding that the proposed intervention by Turkey would be for the purpose of effecting a form of partition on the island, a solution which is specifically excluded by the Treaty of Guarantee...
Further, Mr Prime Minister, I am concerned about the obligations of Turkey as a member of the United Nations...
I have no doubt that the general membership of the United Nations would react in the strongest terms to unilateral action by Turkey which would defy the efforts fo the United Nations and destroy any prospect that the United Nations could assist in obtaining a reasonable and peaceful settlement of this difficult problem.
I wish also, Mr Prime Minister, to call your attention to the bilateral agreement between the United States and Turkey in the field of military assistance. Under Article IV of the Agreement with Turkey of July 1947, your Government is required to obtain United States consent for the use of military assistance for purposes other than those for which such assistance was furnished..."


If the purpose of the propaganda campaign based on the murder of Nihat İlhan's children was to secure a full-scale Turkish military intervention, then I am afraid that the 'Johnson letter' put a halt to that.



Hmmm... "Dear Mr. Prime Minister" eh? :? Is it ur first joke, Tim? :lol:


I found the full official text of the telegram. It really addresses to reciever as "Dear Mr. Prime Minister."

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocu ... -68v16/d54


Why wouldn't he be addressed as Mr. Prime Minister.? :? :? :?

"1961: İnönü is appointed prime minister, and remains prime minister for 5 years through 2 appointments."


Precisely.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:10 pm

İsmet İnönü served as president of the Republic of Turkey in the period 1938-1950.
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:13 pm

Kikapu wrote:
insan wrote:
insan wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Quote from President Johnson's letter to Prime Minister İnönü of Turkey, 5 June 1964:

Dear Mr Prime Minister: I am gravely concerned by the information which I have had through Ambassador Hare from you and your Foreign Minister that the Turkish Government is contemplating a decision to intervene by military force to occupy a portion of Cyprus... Ambassador Hare has indicated that you have postponed your decision for a few hours in order to obtain my views.
It is my impression that you believe that such intervention by Turkey is permissible under the provisions of the Treaty of Guarantee of 1960. I must call your attention, however, to our understanding that the proposed intervention by Turkey would be for the purpose of effecting a form of partition on the island, a solution which is specifically excluded by the Treaty of Guarantee...
Further, Mr Prime Minister, I am concerned about the obligations of Turkey as a member of the United Nations...
I have no doubt that the general membership of the United Nations would react in the strongest terms to unilateral action by Turkey which would defy the efforts fo the United Nations and destroy any prospect that the United Nations could assist in obtaining a reasonable and peaceful settlement of this difficult problem.
I wish also, Mr Prime Minister, to call your attention to the bilateral agreement between the United States and Turkey in the field of military assistance. Under Article IV of the Agreement with Turkey of July 1947, your Government is required to obtain United States consent for the use of military assistance for purposes other than those for which such assistance was furnished..."


If the purpose of the propaganda campaign based on the murder of Nihat İlhan's children was to secure a full-scale Turkish military intervention, then I am afraid that the 'Johnson letter' put a halt to that.



Hmmm... "Dear Mr. Prime Minister" eh? :? Is it ur first joke, Tim? :lol:


I found the full official text of the telegram. It really addresses to reciever as "Dear Mr. Prime Minister."

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocu ... -68v16/d54


Why wouldn't he be addressed as Mr. Prime Minister.? :? :? :?

"1961: İnönü is appointed prime minister, and remains prime minister for 5 years through 2 appointments."


We TCs and Turks address to the reciever with his/her name or surname beside his her official title... that's why I'd found it a bit starnge...
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:15 pm

insan wrote:Hmmm... just abt a month before Johnson's Letter, then the Turkish Foreign Minister, assured Johnson that turkey would not intervene...

Returning again to the importance of avoiding a shooting war, the President commented that we are worried about some signs of Turkish preparations, for example, the cancellation of leaves. Erkin explained that “we have to be prepared.” The President replied that he should tell Inonu right away of our admiration for him and how we count on his continued restraint. “Tell Inonu”, he said, “I haven't got a better friend. And I'm proud of your people. We are always going to be stout allies.” Erkin again assured him that the Turks would not intervene.



http://history.state.gov/historicaldocu ... -68v16/d37

What's happened in abt one month time, in June and Turkey informed Johnson regarding the intention of intervention?

The Greeks must not humiliate the Turks. We should go in and press Makarios as well. When Talbot commented that we had used up most of our leverage with Makarios, the President's reaction was that we should use up whatever was left if necessary.

Foreign Minister Erkin expressed his great appreciation for the President's words and assured him that his message to Inonu would be sent immediately. Ambassador Menemencioglu mentioned that the Turks had a second bit of good news while here—they had been assured by the Department of State that the US would not support any solution which would humiliate Turkey. The President fully agreed.




Children were killed in December, 1963.... :?


The problem seems as "humiliation" of GCs and Greeks towards TCs and Turks, during this period of time...
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:20 pm

insan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
insan wrote:
insan wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Quote from President Johnson's letter to Prime Minister İnönü of Turkey, 5 June 1964:

Dear Mr Prime Minister: I am gravely concerned by the information which I have had through Ambassador Hare from you and your Foreign Minister that the Turkish Government is contemplating a decision to intervene by military force to occupy a portion of Cyprus... Ambassador Hare has indicated that you have postponed your decision for a few hours in order to obtain my views.
It is my impression that you believe that such intervention by Turkey is permissible under the provisions of the Treaty of Guarantee of 1960. I must call your attention, however, to our understanding that the proposed intervention by Turkey would be for the purpose of effecting a form of partition on the island, a solution which is specifically excluded by the Treaty of Guarantee...
Further, Mr Prime Minister, I am concerned about the obligations of Turkey as a member of the United Nations...
I have no doubt that the general membership of the United Nations would react in the strongest terms to unilateral action by Turkey which would defy the efforts fo the United Nations and destroy any prospect that the United Nations could assist in obtaining a reasonable and peaceful settlement of this difficult problem.
I wish also, Mr Prime Minister, to call your attention to the bilateral agreement between the United States and Turkey in the field of military assistance. Under Article IV of the Agreement with Turkey of July 1947, your Government is required to obtain United States consent for the use of military assistance for purposes other than those for which such assistance was furnished..."


If the purpose of the propaganda campaign based on the murder of Nihat İlhan's children was to secure a full-scale Turkish military intervention, then I am afraid that the 'Johnson letter' put a halt to that.



Hmmm... "Dear Mr. Prime Minister" eh? :? Is it ur first joke, Tim? :lol:


I found the full official text of the telegram. It really addresses to reciever as "Dear Mr. Prime Minister."

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocu ... -68v16/d54


Why wouldn't he be addressed as Mr. Prime Minister.? :? :? :?

"1961: İnönü is appointed prime minister, and remains prime minister for 5 years through 2 appointments."


We TCs and Turks address to the reciever with his/her name or surname beside his her official title... that's why I'd found it a bit starnge...


So.! What's has that got to do with anything as to how the Americans addresses other foreign leaders.? :? :? :?
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