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Lets make the GCs happy these poor children were not killed its just a figment of our imagination, however they are position the crime is hideous and its like claiming the TCs and Turks did not kill any GCs they did it to themselves.

Who is alleging that?

The Gc stance of deviating from the death of these innocent children and sick denial twistedmenatlity of placing the blame on TCs. Do we in turn say that the GCs killed themselves for propaganda purposes?

Given that one or more TC sources blamed the TMT for this incident, then it automatically becomes ambiguous so it’s pointless for anyone to use it in their arguments unless they have credible evidence of the perpetrator first.

[Viewpoint]

Lets make the GCs happy these poor children were not killed its just a figment of our imagination, however they are position the crime is hideous and its like claiming the TCs and Turks did not kill any GCs they did it to themselves.

Who is alleging that?

The Gc stance of deviating from the death of these innocent children and sick denial twistedmenatlity of placing the blame on TCs. Do we in turn say that the GCs killed themselves for propaganda purposes?

Given that one or more TC sources blamed the TMT for this incident, then it automatically becomes ambiguous so it’s pointless for anyone to use it in their arguments unless they have credible evidence of the perpetrator first.

Prefrabricated bullshit the GCs slaughtered these poor children the rest is history own up to your mistakes its the only way you will ever move on.

[Nikitas]

I have no doubt that the people in that house were murdered. That much is settled.

But Gibbons description is a mite suspect, like for instance : ""How would you like Enosis" is a phrase that is most awkward in Greek and damn near impossible in Cypriot dialect. It can be phrased, but it carries no meaning, definitely not the heated fanatic mood that Gibbons wants to portray.

Also, with some expertise on firearms, I can tell you that a bullet does not fling people back, ( "Mrs. llhall and Her children, caught directly in its path, were lifted off their feet and Dumped on to the bottom of the bath). Hollywood movie style. A bullet goes right through a body, no visible movement being detectable.

The TCs did not need Gibbons or anyone else to capitalise on this particular tragedy, it speaks of itself. The propaganda treatment is kind of insulting to the murdered people.

[YFred]

Lets make the GCs happy these poor children were not killed its just a figment of our imagination, however they are position the crime is hideous and its like claiming the TCs and Turks did not kill any GCs they did it to themselves.

Who is alleging that?

The Gc stance of deviating from the death of these innocent children and sick denial twistedmenatlity of placing the blame on TCs. Do we in turn say that the GCs killed themselves for propaganda purposes?

Given that one or more TC sources blamed the TMT for this incident, then it automatically becomes ambiguous so it’s pointless for anyone to use it in their arguments unless they have credible evidence of the perpetrator first.

Prefrabricated bullshit the GCs slaughtered these poor children the rest is history own up to your mistakes its the only way you will ever move on.

VP, this was also practiced in Bosnia by the Serbs. They bombed civilians and claimed that Bosninan muslims did it to get sympathy. It did't work then and it aint going to work here.

[Tim Drayton]

Lets make the GCs happy these poor children were not killed its just a figment of our imagination, however they are position the crime is hideous and its like claiming the TCs and Turks did not kill any GCs they did it to themselves.

Who is alleging that?

The Gc stance of deviating from the death of these innocent children and sick denial twistedmenatlity of placing the blame on TCs. Do we in turn say that the GCs killed themselves for propaganda purposes?

The point is that the hardline nationalist Turkish Cypriot leadership of the time decided to exploit this particular tragic incident for propaganda purposes. The scene of this crime, as you well know, has been turned into a museum (known as the 'Museum of Barbarism') which a couple of generations of Turkish Cypriot children have been required to visit as part of the school curriculum. As such, this case invites greater scrutiny than it would otherwise merit. There is evidence that the bodies at the crime scene were moved to make a better propaganda picture and this, in my view, casts doubt on the sincerity and true motives of those who did this.

[YFred]

Lets make the GCs happy these poor children were not killed its just a figment of our imagination, however they are position the crime is hideous and its like claiming the TCs and Turks did not kill any GCs they did it to themselves.

Who is alleging that?

The Gc stance of deviating from the death of these innocent children and sick denial twistedmenatlity of placing the blame on TCs. Do we in turn say that the GCs killed themselves for propaganda purposes?

The point is that the hardline nationalist Turkish Cypriot leadership of the time decided to exploit this particular tragic incident for propaganda purposes. The scene of this crime, as you well know, has been turned into a museum (known as the 'Museum of Barbarism') which a couple of generations of Turkish Cypriot children have been required to visit as part of the school curriculum. As such, this case invites greater scrutiny than it would otherwise merit. There is evidence that the bodies at the crime scene were moved to make a better propaganda picture and this, in my view, casts doubt on the sincerity and true motives of those who did this.

Tim, this scene is barbaric enough with or without dressing. Dressing it in any way does not reduce its ferocity. Judging by the number of pages the GC devote to the history of Cyprus 1960-74, we do not need any lessons from the GCs about our school curriculum.

[Tim Drayton]

Lets make the GCs happy these poor children were not killed its just a figment of our imagination, however they are position the crime is hideous and its like claiming the TCs and Turks did not kill any GCs they did it to themselves.

Who is alleging that?

The Gc stance of deviating from the death of these innocent children and sick denial twistedmenatlity of placing the blame on TCs. Do we in turn say that the GCs killed themselves for propaganda purposes?

The point is that the hardline nationalist Turkish Cypriot leadership of the time decided to exploit this particular tragic incident for propaganda purposes. The scene of this crime, as you well know, has been turned into a museum (known as the 'Museum of Barbarism') which a couple of generations of Turkish Cypriot children have been required to visit as part of the school curriculum. As such, this case invites greater scrutiny than it would otherwise merit. There is evidence that the bodies at the crime scene were moved to make a better propaganda picture and this, in my view, casts doubt on the sincerity and true motives of those who did this.

Tim, this scene is barbaric enough with or without dressing. Dressing it in any way does not reduce its ferocity. Judging by the number of pages the GC devote to the history of Cyprus 1960-74, we do not need any lessons from the GCs about our school curriculum.

An excellent point, old fellow, and one that invites the question as to why this Stalinesque technique was employed.

[YFred]

Lets make the GCs happy these poor children were not killed its just a figment of our imagination, however they are position the crime is hideous and its like claiming the TCs and Turks did not kill any GCs they did it to themselves.

Who is alleging that?

The Gc stance of deviating from the death of these innocent children and sick denial twistedmenatlity of placing the blame on TCs. Do we in turn say that the GCs killed themselves for propaganda purposes?

The point is that the hardline nationalist Turkish Cypriot leadership of the time decided to exploit this particular tragic incident for propaganda purposes. The scene of this crime, as you well know, has been turned into a museum (known as the 'Museum of Barbarism') which a couple of generations of Turkish Cypriot children have been required to visit as part of the school curriculum. As such, this case invites greater scrutiny than it would otherwise merit. There is evidence that the bodies at the crime scene were moved to make a better propaganda picture and this, in my view, casts doubt on the sincerity and true motives of those who did this.

Tim, this scene is barbaric enough with or without dressing. Dressing it in any way does not reduce its ferocity. Judging by the number of pages the GC devote to the history of Cyprus 1960-74, we do not need any lessons from the GCs about our school curriculum.

An excellent point, old fellow, and one that invites the question as to why this Stalinesque technique was employed.

I just can't believe what you are saying. Can you not see that there is no comparison between killing these innocent people and trying to make propaganda out of it out of desperation because TCs very survival was in doubt in 63.

I bet if it was three dogs or three cats involved, you would have a different view.

[Viewpoint]

Lets make the GCs happy these poor children were not killed its just a figment of our imagination, however they are position the crime is hideous and its like claiming the TCs and Turks did not kill any GCs they did it to themselves.

Who is alleging that?

The Gc stance of deviating from the death of these innocent children and sick denial twistedmenatlity of placing the blame on TCs. Do we in turn say that the GCs killed themselves for propaganda purposes?

The point is that the hardline nationalist Turkish Cypriot leadership of the time decided to exploit this particular tragic incident for propaganda purposes. The scene of this crime, as you well know, has been turned into a museum (known as the 'Museum of Barbarism') which a couple of generations of Turkish Cypriot children have been required to visit as part of the school curriculum. As such, this case invites greater scrutiny than it would otherwise merit. There is evidence that the bodies at the crime scene were moved to make a better propaganda picture and this, in my view, casts doubt on the sincerity and true motives of those who did this.

Tim, this scene is barbaric enough with or without dressing. Dressing it in any way does not reduce its ferocity. Judging by the number of pages the GC devote to the history of Cyprus 1960-74, we do not need any lessons from the GCs about our school curriculum.

An excellent point, old fellow, and one that invites the question as to why this Stalinesque technique was employed.

Should we have just let it slip why do you not also question the pictures of soloman at ledra palace crossing each side is as bad as the other but everyone seems to concentrate only on what the TCs and their fight to make themselves heard. The museum is a symbol of GC venom and aggression this should never be forgotten and learned from so that future generations do not expose themselves to the GC mentality that can put them in similar fatal dangers.

[Tim Drayton]

Lets make the GCs happy these poor children were not killed its just a figment of our imagination, however they are position the crime is hideous and its like claiming the TCs and Turks did not kill any GCs they did it to themselves.

Who is alleging that?

The Gc stance of deviating from the death of these innocent children and sick denial twistedmenatlity of placing the blame on TCs. Do we in turn say that the GCs killed themselves for propaganda purposes?

The point is that the hardline nationalist Turkish Cypriot leadership of the time decided to exploit this particular tragic incident for propaganda purposes. The scene of this crime, as you well know, has been turned into a museum (known as the 'Museum of Barbarism') which a couple of generations of Turkish Cypriot children have been required to visit as part of the school curriculum. As such, this case invites greater scrutiny than it would otherwise merit. There is evidence that the bodies at the crime scene were moved to make a better propaganda picture and this, in my view, casts doubt on the sincerity and true motives of those who did this.

Tim, this scene is barbaric enough with or without dressing. Dressing it in any way does not reduce its ferocity. Judging by the number of pages the GC devote to the history of Cyprus 1960-74, we do not need any lessons from the GCs about our school curriculum.

An excellent point, old fellow, and one that invites the question as to why this Stalinesque technique was employed.

Should we have just let it slip why do you not also question the pictures of soloman at ledra palace crossing each side is as bad as the other but everyone seems to concentrate only on what the TCs and their fight to make themselves heard. The museum is a symbol of GC venom and aggression this should never be forgotten and learned from so that future generations do not expose themselves to the GC mentality that can put them in similar fatal dangers.

According to a Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_c ... s_conflict

In total, some 133 Greek Cypriots and 191 Turkish Cypriots are known to have been killed in 1963 and 1964.

Each of these deaths was a tragedy and none of them deserves to be ‘let slip’. However, the point is that the nationalist TC leadership at the time chose to dress up this one particular incident and launch a major propaganda initiative around it. In a sense, they were in the process letting all the other deaths ‘slip’ in comparison. By courting so much publicity for one particular instance of mass murder, they have inevitably also invited much more intense scrutiny of this event.