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[Kikapu]

In a nut shell, the north’s electoral picture shows that there are 106,000 settler and 54,000 Turkish Cypriots voters, which amounts to a ratio of nearly 2 to 1 (66%) in favour of the settlers.

Be sure 80% of the 106.000 settler voter r Cyprus born or came Cyprus when they were 1 to 12 y.o. So, they r TCs actually. No?

NO.!!

Being born in Cyprus does not make them a TC or a GC automatically, unless atleast one of their parents is a TC or a GC. Coming to Cyprus at any age illegally will remain as such, an Illegal Alien. Show me a country that does what you have suggested.

Perhaps Turkey.......................not.!

Listen here old thick shit. Show me a country that does not give automatic citizenship to anybody who is born there other than Germany.

Lets see your list then, knows nothing, YFreak.!

[insan]

In a nut shell, the north’s electoral picture shows that there are 106,000 settler and 54,000 Turkish Cypriots voters, which amounts to a ratio of nearly 2 to 1 (66%) in favour of the settlers.

Be sure 80% of the 106.000 settler voter r Cyprus born or came Cyprus when they were 1 to 12 y.o. So, they r TCs actually. No?

NO.!!

Being born in Cyprus does not make them a TC or a GC automatically, unless atleast one of their parents is a TC or a GC. Coming to Cyprus at any age illegally will remain as such, an Illegal Alien. Show me a country that does what you have suggested other than the USA.

Perhaps Turkey.......................not.!

I meant being culturally TC, u very clever man. I believe that they r culturally TCs. It's too hard to differentiate them from native TCs because they were born in Cyprus and absorbed the TC culture. So, since they r culturally TCs there's nothing to worry abt them. Yes?

[insan]

In a nut shell, the north’s electoral picture shows that there are 106,000 settler and 54,000 Turkish Cypriots voters, which amounts to a ratio of nearly 2 to 1 (66%) in favour of the settlers.

Be sure 80% of the 106.000 settler voter r Cyprus born or came Cyprus when they were 1 to 12 y.o. So, they r TCs actually. No?

The new RoC rule is, unless you can trace your ancestors to pre 1570, you are a settler.

[Kikapu]

In a nut shell, the north’s electoral picture shows that there are 106,000 settler and 54,000 Turkish Cypriots voters, which amounts to a ratio of nearly 2 to 1 (66%) in favour of the settlers.

Be sure 80% of the 106.000 settler voter r Cyprus born or came Cyprus when they were 1 to 12 y.o. So, they r TCs actually. No?

NO.!!

Being born in Cyprus does not make them a TC or a GC automatically, unless atleast one of their parents is a TC or a GC. Coming to Cyprus at any age illegally will remain as such, an Illegal Alien. Show me a country that does what you have suggested other than the USA.

Perhaps Turkey.......................not.!

I meant being culturally TC, u very clever man. I believe that they r culturally TCs. It's too hard to differentiate them from native TCs because they were born in Cyprus and absorbed the TC culture. So, since they r culturally TCs there's nothing to worry abt them. Yes?

They can be culturally TC or GC, but they are still Illegal Aliens no matter how you slice it, unless one of their parents is a TC or a GC.!

It is also hard to differentiate all the Spanish speaking people from Central and South America, Mexico and Spain, but they are all different nationalities all the same, no matter how they all share the Hispanic culture, therefore, if they are not Cypriots, then they are either Turks from Turkey or Greeks from Greece, no mattter how they may relate culturally to Cyprus, just by being there illegally, it does not make them a Cypriot..

[insan]

In a nut shell, the north’s electoral picture shows that there are 106,000 settler and 54,000 Turkish Cypriots voters, which amounts to a ratio of nearly 2 to 1 (66%) in favour of the settlers.

Be sure 80% of the 106.000 settler voter r Cyprus born or came Cyprus when they were 1 to 12 y.o. So, they r TCs actually. No?

NO.!!

Being born in Cyprus does not make them a TC or a GC automatically, unless atleast one of their parents is a TC or a GC. Coming to Cyprus at any age illegally will remain as such, an Illegal Alien. Show me a country that does what you have suggested other than the USA.

Perhaps Turkey.......................not.!

I meant being culturally TC, u very clever man. I believe that they r culturally TCs. It's too hard to differentiate them from native TCs because they were born in Cyprus and absorbed the TC culture. So, since they r culturally TCs there's nothing to worry abt them. Yes?

They can be culturally TC or GC, but they are still Illegal Aliens no matter how you slice it, unless one of their parents is a TC or a GC.!

It is also hard to differentiate all the Spanish speaking people from Central and South America, Mexico and Spain, but they are all different nationalities all the same, no matter how they all share the Hispanic culture, therefore, if they are not Cypriots, then they are either Turks from Turkey or Greeks from Greece, no mattter how they may relate culturally to Cyprus, just by being there illegally, it does not make them a Cypriot..

Illegal is the so-called RoC. Just u need to study Cyprus and Greece history to see how GC-Greek politicians abused the extra ordinary political circumstances from 50s and onwards to "gain" the legitimacy for GC governed so-called RoC.

[Nikitas]

Insan, stop playing stupid on the settler issue. You, and all others who play the same game, know damn well what is being attempted here.

Look at it this way, Crete has a million people. The RoC can make that million people citizens of the RoC and issue them with passports and declare them expatriate GCs and let them vote in the referendum. How would you like that?

It is a fact that since 1974 the RoC has granted citizenship to less than 25000 people, and the citizenship rules are very strict. My wife of 30 years cannot get Cyprus citizenship, but a Turk from Erzerum who had no prior connection to the island will get it with no other excuse other than being imported to the island by Turkey.

If you cannot see how this situation is ruining any chance of a settlement then you must be mentally defective.

[Nikitas]

"Show me a country that does not give automatic citizenship to anybody who is born there other than Germany. "

Great Britain is one. There are many more. Do some research and you will be surprised.

Does Turkey allow citizenship to the children of Greeks from Istanbul who are born overseas?

Cyprus always had the requirement of one parent being a Cypriot, minimum residence for spouses and so on. The mere fact of being born in Cyprus does not grant nationality.

Does Turkey allow foreigners to claim nationality by mere residence? With no further proof of connection to the country?

[EPSILON]

"It the Turkish Cypriot community who will lose their 1960 statehood/sovereignty rights to the Turkish Settlers, not the Greek Cypriots."

Now you realise!!! It took you 35 years to get it!!!!

How long will it take the TCs to wake up? Once the settlers are legalised by a referendum the TCs will not be able to compete for jobs and wil lgravitate to the south, where they will no doubt be grumbling about their minority status.

Wrong Nikitas- T/cs will move to South and Turkey will come to save them again in some years after.

[Tim Drayton]

In a nut shell, the north’s electoral picture shows that there are 106,000 settler and 54,000 Turkish Cypriots voters, which amounts to a ratio of nearly 2 to 1 (66%) in favour of the settlers.

Be sure 80% of the 106.000 settler voter r Cyprus born or came Cyprus when they were 1 to 12 y.o. So, they r TCs actually. No?

NO.!!

Being born in Cyprus does not make them a TC or a GC automatically, unless atleast one of their parents is a TC or a GC. Coming to Cyprus at any age illegally will remain as such, an Illegal Alien. Show me a country that does what you have suggested.

Perhaps Turkey.......................not.!

Listen here old thick shit. Show me a country that does not give automatic citizenship to anybody who is born there other than Germany.

Poland

[Tim Drayton]

In a nut shell, the north’s electoral picture shows that there are 106,000 settler and 54,000 Turkish Cypriots voters, which amounts to a ratio of nearly 2 to 1 (66%) in favour of the settlers.

Be sure 80% of the 106.000 settler voter r Cyprus born or came Cyprus when they were 1 to 12 y.o. So, they r TCs actually. No?

NO.!!

Being born in Cyprus does not make them a TC or a GC automatically, unless atleast one of their parents is a TC or a GC. Coming to Cyprus at any age illegally will remain as such, an Illegal Alien. Show me a country that does what you have suggested.

Perhaps Turkey.......................not.!

Listen here old thick shit. Show me a country that does not give automatic citizenship to anybody who is born there other than Germany.

Fred, there are two conflicting principles used to determine nationality. These are ius sanguinis (rights by bloodline/paternal descent in the Civil Code) and ius solis (rights by birth/residence on national territory). Most countries in the world apply a mixture of both principles, but tend to favour one over the other. There are many countries in the world that give precedence to the principle of ius sanguinis . According to a Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis

Apart from France, jus sanguinis still is the preferred means of passing on citizenship in many continental European countries, with benefits of maintaining culture and national identity as well as ethnic homogeneity. This has been criticised by some on the grounds that, if it is the only means, and were a group of immigrants to intra-marry, it could lead to generations of people living their whole lives in the state without being citizens of it - according to Agamben, thus likening their status to an homo sacer, deprived of any civil rights.

A point that is often missed, I feel, is that the principles for determining who is to be a citizen of the Republic of Cyprus were laid down in Annex D to the 1960 Treaty of Establishment, and the principle is basically that of ius sanguinis in the male line. The government of the RoC may, in fact, have no latitude in this matter given that it was fixed in the 1960 Treaty.