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[miltiades]

With the....

(1) Adoption of the "Republic of Cyprus" passport by hundreds, if not thousands of Turkish Cypriots living in northern Cyprus,

(2) Freedom of movement across the cease-fire line and its expansion: Its relaxing as time goes by compared to the previous year (regardless of how you look at it),

(3) Collaboration between many businesses and universities,

(4) Many Turkish Cypriots using Larnaca's international airport for travel from London to the northern part of Cyprus (using non-Turkish/Turkish Cypriot airlines)

(4) The use of the Euro currency widely used across the entire island (Yes! it is perhaps the most let's say used under the rug currency in northern Cyprus - more than the Turkish Lira in some in many cases).

(5) And how the Turkish Cypriots living in northern Cyprus commonly steering away from what is known as "Rum Kochan" (land owned by Greek Cypriots prior to 1974) and ONLY purchasing "Turkish Cypriot" owned land/properties when buying.

I get the impression that there's this underlying acceptance and yearning on both sides to integrate, almost unconditionally- even without a UN Sponsored plan, naturally.

Do you not think this is possible? According to the points of progress above, as I like to refer to them, do you not believe that a few more good will gestures will eventually force this "natural" integration?

Welcome back .
Your input and comments are much appreciated by those of us that consider the T/Cs as our compatriots just as you and many T/Cs consider us as their compatriots.
I'm afraid that Turkey has embarked upon the road to annexation of the occupied parts , what are your views on this , would you for instance oppose such an eventuality would the majority of T/Cs reject their own annihilation or would they just accept Turkeys annexation which would spell the end of the T/C.

[humanist]

Kibrisli Turk ......... welcome to the forum ...... and good luck with your TC brothers & sisters on the forum who bow to their motherland Turkey and who welcome the Turkish army rule in the occupied area of Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

With the....

(1) Adoption of the "Republic of Cyprus" passport by hundreds, if not thousands of Turkish Cypriots living in northern Cyprus,

(2) Freedom of movement across the cease-fire line and its expansion: Its relaxing as time goes by compared to the previous year (regardless of how you look at it),

(3) Collaboration between many businesses and universities,

(4) Many Turkish Cypriots using Larnaca's international airport for travel from London to the northern part of Cyprus (using non-Turkish/Turkish Cypriot airlines)

(4) The use of the Euro currency widely used across the entire island (Yes! it is perhaps the most let's say used under the rug currency in northern Cyprus - more than the Turkish Lira in some in many cases).

(5) And how the Turkish Cypriots living in northern Cyprus commonly steering away from what is known as "Rum Kochan" (land owned by Greek Cypriots prior to 1974) and ONLY purchasing "Turkish Cypriot" owned land/properties when buying.

I get the impression that there's this underlying acceptance and yearning on both sides to integrate, almost unconditionally- even without a UN Sponsored plan, naturally.

Do you not think this is possible? According to the points of progress above, as I like to refer to them, do you not believe that a few more good will gestures will eventually force this "natural" integration?

Welcome back .
Your input and comments are much appreciated by those of us that consider the T/Cs as our compatriots just as you and many T/Cs consider us as their compatriots.
I'm afraid that Turkey has embarked upon the road to annexation of the occupied parts , what are your views on this , would you for instance oppose such an eventuality would the majority of T/Cs reject their own annihilation or would they just accept Turkeys annexation which would spell the end of the T/C.

Annexation is much preferred to being assimilated by GCs, without safeguards and guarantees which you oppose we prefer the current status quo or annexation

[Paphitis]

Paphitis:

The reason why the Green Line was opened was.....

Look at the Republic of Ireland for more information....it is being looked at as a model!

I did not know of this, please elaborate.

Oracle:

Freedom of movement for the 43,000 Turkish troops and 200,000+ settlers?

Try as you might, step number one for Turkey regaining face, is to remove all her troops and Settlers.

TCs can keep begging for aid from both Turkey and the RoC. But, they have nothing to offer the RoC except removal from Cyprus of their 'living' ancestors!

I get your drift. You should try living in northern Cyprus with these air-heads, let alone hearing about them! What amazes me is how the Republic of Cyprus has actually fallen for this cease-fire line opening parade in the first place without the precondition of Turkish troops leaving the island! The population in the north is now 510'000, with only 80'000 or so being Turkish Cypriot - Speak to Alpay Durduran from the New Cyprus Party in the north. As for the Turkish flag on the mountain thing, it's all too heavy for us Turkish Cypriots to even remove a Turkish flag from a petrol station let alone protest the huge flag inverted Turkish flag on the mountain.

I seriously wish you good luck with all that campaigning, but we Turkish Cypriots (the ones that are not brainwashed) in northern Cyprus, not to tell a lie, have now become the minority of a minority. We are seriously out-numbered and beat. Just take a look at the name the break away republic was given in 1983 of "The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus". Notice how it does not contain any reference to being a "Turkish Cypriot" state, absolute nothing. A bit scary.

What I'm getting at here Oracle is that we Turkish Cypriots have lost the race with Turkey on north Cyprus. Seeking a "Cypriot" solution is OUT of Turkish Cypriot hands. It's really up to the Republic of Cyprus with its EU backing and Turkey to broker a deal, and not with the Turkish Cypriots. Talat is a puppet as we all know. President Christofias would have actually done better if he had referred to Talat as the Vice President of the Republic of Cyprus, at least Talat would have had a better grounding.

Good luck my friend.

Kibrisli Turk,

There is no need to elaborate any further, as there is nothing I can offer.

All I am willing to say is for the GC population to become familiar with the solution between Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland and also understand that this has apparently become a strategic long term project for Cyprus.

[Paphitis]

With the....

(1) Adoption of the "Republic of Cyprus" passport by hundreds, if not thousands of Turkish Cypriots living in northern Cyprus,

(2) Freedom of movement across the cease-fire line and its expansion: Its relaxing as time goes by compared to the previous year (regardless of how you look at it),

(3) Collaboration between many businesses and universities,

(4) Many Turkish Cypriots using Larnaca's international airport for travel from London to the northern part of Cyprus (using non-Turkish/Turkish Cypriot airlines)

(4) The use of the Euro currency widely used across the entire island (Yes! it is perhaps the most let's say used under the rug currency in northern Cyprus - more than the Turkish Lira in some in many cases).

(5) And how the Turkish Cypriots living in northern Cyprus commonly steering away from what is known as "Rum Kochan" (land owned by Greek Cypriots prior to 1974) and ONLY purchasing "Turkish Cypriot" owned land/properties when buying.

I get the impression that there's this underlying acceptance and yearning on both sides to integrate, almost unconditionally- even without a UN Sponsored plan, naturally.

Do you not think this is possible? According to the points of progress above, as I like to refer to them, do you not believe that a few more good will gestures will eventually force this "natural" integration?

With so many good will gestures from the RoC and the GCs towards the TCs, do you think that the TCs could give us one good will gesture in return...even a small one?

Perhaps they could star by removing this "flag" from Pentadaktilos!



Then perhaps they could allow 45,000 GC refugees to return to their homes by giving back The Ghost City!



That way, we may be more convinced that the TCs want a solution and full integration.

What a cheek? I asked , you said, pull the other one.

We have been providing all the good will so far, and have received absolutely nothing Deniz. TCs have RoC passports, have RoC IDs, they get free health, and the Green Line is open.

What have we received? Absolutely nothing!

So how about just one tiny good will gesture from you guys instead of you asking for more and more.

[denizaksulu]

It looks like you wont get any good will from Turkey at the mo. They have pressed a self destruct button if you ask me. They being the puppets in the north of the island.

[Kibrisli Turk]

viewpoint,

One of the many problems with Turkey, but one that particularly affects us Turkish Cypriots, is that they always wait until the last minute to respond to a situation - too bloody late!

Turkey is too slow, not all ready to play big politics with Cyprus or even the EU, it just loses its purpose by the time it decides to sit around a table. Like with the Cyprus issue. If Turkey agreed with Denktas to recognise the bubble TRNC self-declared state then why doesn't it recognise it from ALL corners? It is obvious that Turkey does not recognise the bubble TRNC self-declared state as it wouldn't feel obliged to force Talat to bargain it away. The real issue viewpoint here, and you know it, is that the so-called TRNC is not a guaranteed safe haven for the Turkish Cypriots - those of course who have woken up. We have been isolated for 35 years, we now prefer to use our original ROC passports to travel abroad, we do not associate ourselves with the moon and start inverted so-called TRNC flag, we do not believe that the "TRNC" will ever gain any type of recognition in any way, we are now being told that houses that we so-called compensated to us after 1974 are still under threat as they are legitimately "Greek Cypriot" owned (so much for the "TRNC" ey!) and our side has now more air-headed Turks from eastern uneducated Turkey in it than Turkish Cypriots.

Face it Viewpoint, I am as frustrated as you are but the difference is I regard myself as a true "Cypriot" and do not believe Turkey gives two Kurus about our preservation or our so-called "Protection".

Turkey has never, ever sought to prove its claim on northern Cyprus, on its protection policy or has kept any of its threats. Ever the 1974 affair was an opportunity that Turkey had ill responded to - too late. Answer this.....

What happened to the Turkish threats of annexation if the ROC entered the EU - NOTHING! The ROC has been a full member of the EU now since 2004 and hey presto, still NO sign of annexation - WHAT A SURPRIZE.

What happened to all the threats if the Greek Cypriots said no to the Annan Plan in April 2004? What utter rubbish was Turkey talking about then....I recall the following from the Turkish government.. "This is Cyprus's last chance for unification"....and "The Turkish Cypriots will go their separate ways and order the UN to leave the island". Again WHAT RUBBISH. Turkey just can not stop lying about its Cyprus affairs.

Turkey has played on Turkish Cypriot emotion for so long now that WE do not believe her NO MORE, not that we ever did anyway. The ONLY PRACTICAL solutions we've seen so far have come from the Republic of Cyprus. As I have said, I can now fly direct to Cyprus...but not with my so-called bubble TRNC passport but with my original ROC passport.

If Turkey truly wants to win the hearts of ALL Turkish Cypriots, which I know it doesn't care to Kurus's about, then it better start meaning what it says, better stop WASTING OUR BLOODY LIVES. My son is now 24, was born in this UNRECOGNISED state, graduated from an UNRECOGNISED university and NOW MUST GO TO TURKEY TO FIND A JOB - What rubbish. There is no way in hell I am sending my son to Turkey, alone to seek work. The old politics of Cyprus is over, old news - the opening of the border proven how well we can generally work as people with each other. I have given the TRNC too many chances for its so-called recognition or isolation to be removed. I never thought, after 24 years later - my son's life so far, I'd be addressing the same "economic", "isolation", "Recognition" issues.

TURKEY = What a waste of time for us. We have given Turkey more than its share of chances. It's now our time to live our lives in Cyprus the way any human being and EU member state should - within our rights and liberties as a Citizen of the Republic of Cyprus with all its economic and political freedoms.

[Paphitis]

viewpoint,

One of the many problems with Turkey, but one that particularly affects us Turkish Cypriots, is that they always wait until the last minute to respond to a situation - too bloody late!

Turkey is too slow, not all ready to play big politics with Cyprus or even the EU, it just loses its purpose by the time it decides to sit around a table. Like with the Cyprus issue. If Turkey agreed with Denktas to recognise the bubble TRNC self-declared state then why doesn't it recognise it from ALL corners? It is obvious that Turkey does not recognise the bubble TRNC self-declared state as it wouldn't feel obliged to force Talat to bargain it away. The real issue viewpoint here, and you know it, is that the so-called TRNC is not a guaranteed safe haven for the Turkish Cypriots - those of course who have woken up. We have been isolated for 35 years, we now prefer to use our original ROC passports to travel abroad, we do not associate ourselves with the moon and start inverted so-called TRNC flag, we do not believe that the "TRNC" will ever gain any type of recognition in any way, we are now being told that houses that we so-called compensated to us after 1974 are still under threat as they are legitimately "Greek Cypriot" owned (so much for the "TRNC" ey!) and our side has now more air-headed Turks from eastern uneducated Turkey in it than Turkish Cypriots.

Face it Viewpoint, I am as frustrated as you are but the difference is I regard myself as a true "Cypriot" and do not believe Turkey gives two Kurus about our preservation or our so-called "Protection".

Turkey has never, ever sought to prove its claim on northern Cyprus, on its protection policy or has kept any of its threats. Ever the 1974 affair was an opportunity that Turkey had ill responded to - too late. Answer this.....

What happened to the Turkish threats of annexation if the ROC entered the EU - NOTHING! The ROC has been a full member of the EU now since 2004 and hey presto, still NO sign of annexation - WHAT A SURPRIZE.

What happened to all the threats if the Greek Cypriots said no to the Annan Plan in April 2004? What utter rubbish was Turkey talking about then....I recall the following from the Turkish government.. "This is Cyprus's last chance for unification"....and "The Turkish Cypriots will go their separate ways and order the UN to leave the island". Again WHAT RUBBISH. Turkey just can not stop lying about its Cyprus affairs.

Turkey has played on Turkish Cypriot emotion for so long now that WE do not believe her NO MORE, not that we ever did anyway. The ONLY PRACTICAL solutions we've seen so far have come from the Republic of Cyprus. As I have said, I can now fly direct to Cyprus...but not with my so-called bubble TRNC passport but with my original ROC passport.

If Turkey truly wants to win the hearts of ALL Turkish Cypriots, which I know it doesn't care to Kurus's about, then it better start meaning what it says, better start WASTING OUR LIVES. My son is now 24, was born in this UNRECOGNISED state, graduated from an UNRECOGNISED university and NOW MUCH GO TO TURKEY TO FIND A JOB - What rubbish. There is no way in hell I am sending my son to Turkey, alone to seek work. The old politics of Cyprus is over, old news - the opening of the border proven how well we can generally work as people with each other. I have given the TRNC too many chances for its so-called recognition or isolation to be removed. I never thought, after 24 years later - my son's life so far, I'd be addressing the same "economic", "isolation", "Recognition" issues.

TURKEY = What a waste of time for us. We have given Turkey more than its share of chances. It's now our time to live our lives in Cyprus the way any human being and EU member state should - within our rights and liberties as a Citizen of the Republic of Cyprus with all its economic and political freedoms.

I just want to say that this is an excellent post Kibrisli...But please do not lose hope!

If things are so bad for your family, please feel free to live in the RoC...Come and claim any property you own and start over with your son...You will be welcome...

[miltiades]

viewpoint,

One of the many problems with Turkey, but one that particularly affects us Turkish Cypriots, is that they always wait until the last minute to respond to a situation - too bloody late!

Turkey is too slow, not all ready to play big politics with Cyprus or even the EU, it just loses its purpose by the time it decides to sit around a table. Like with the Cyprus issue. If Turkey agreed with Denktas to recognise the bubble TRNC self-declared state then why doesn't it recognise it from ALL corners? It is obvious that Turkey does not recognise the bubble TRNC self-declared state as it wouldn't feel obliged to force Talat to bargain it away. The real issue viewpoint here, and you know it, is that the so-called TRNC is not a guaranteed safe haven for the Turkish Cypriots - those of course who have woken up. We have been isolated for 35 years, we now prefer to use our original ROC passports to travel abroad, we do not associate ourselves with the moon and start inverted so-called TRNC flag, we do not believe that the "TRNC" will ever gain any type of recognition in any way, we are now being told that houses that we so-called compensated to us after 1974 are still under threat as they are legitimately "Greek Cypriot" owned (so much for the "TRNC" ey!) and our side has now more air-headed Turks from eastern uneducated Turkey in it than Turkish Cypriots.

Face it Viewpoint, I am as frustrated as you are but the difference is I regard myself as a true "Cypriot" and do not believe Turkey gives two Kurus about our preservation or our so-called "Protection".

Turkey has never, ever sought to prove its claim on northern Cyprus, on its protection policy or has kept any of its threats. Ever the 1974 affair was an opportunity that Turkey had ill responded to - too late. Answer this.....

What happened to the Turkish threats of annexation if the ROC entered the EU - NOTHING! The ROC has been a full member of the EU now since 2004 and hey presto, still NO sign of annexation - WHAT A SURPRIZE.

What happened to all the threats if the Greek Cypriots said no to the Annan Plan in April 2004? What utter rubbish was Turkey talking about then....I recall the following from the Turkish government.. "This is Cyprus's last chance for unification"....and "The Turkish Cypriots will go their separate ways and order the UN to leave the island". Again WHAT RUBBISH. Turkey just can not stop lying about its Cyprus affairs.

Turkey has played on Turkish Cypriot emotion for so long now that WE do not believe her NO MORE, not that we ever did anyway. The ONLY PRACTICAL solutions we've seen so far have come from the Republic of Cyprus. As I have said, I can now fly direct to Cyprus...but not with my so-called bubble TRNC passport but with my original ROC passport.

If Turkey truly wants to win the hearts of ALL Turkish Cypriots, which I know it doesn't care to Kurus's about, then it better start meaning what it says, better stop WASTING OUR BLOODY LIVES. My son is now 24, was born in this UNRECOGNISED state, graduated from an UNRECOGNISED university and NOW MUST GO TO TURKEY TO FIND A JOB - What rubbish. There is no way in hell I am sending my son to Turkey, alone to seek work. The old politics of Cyprus is over, old news - the opening of the border proven how well we can generally work as people with each other. I have given the TRNC too many chances for its so-called recognition or isolation to be removed. I never thought, after 24 years later - my son's life so far, I'd be addressing the same "economic", "isolation", "Recognition" issues.

TURKEY = What a waste of time for us. We have given Turkey more than its share of chances. It's now our time to live our lives in Cyprus the way any human being and EU member state should - within our rights and liberties as a Citizen of the Republic of Cyprus with all its economic and political freedoms.

Excellent post.
May I enquire as to the likely percentage of T/Cs that you think would feel the same way. I have always believed , based on the fact that I talk to T/Cs almost on a daily basis in view of my business , that the percentage could be as high as 50% , furthermore what in your opinion should the RoC BE CONCENTRATING UPON to encourage reconciliation amongst the Cypriot people.

[DT.]

viewpoint,

One of the many problems with Turkey, but one that particularly affects us Turkish Cypriots, is that they always wait until the last minute to respond to a situation - too bloody late!

Turkey is too slow, not all ready to play big politics with Cyprus or even the EU, it just loses its purpose by the time it decides to sit around a table. Like with the Cyprus issue. If Turkey agreed with Denktas to recognise the bubble TRNC self-declared state then why doesn't it recognise it from ALL corners? It is obvious that Turkey does not recognise the bubble TRNC self-declared state as it wouldn't feel obliged to force Talat to bargain it away. The real issue viewpoint here, and you know it, is that the so-called TRNC is not a guaranteed safe haven for the Turkish Cypriots - those of course who have woken up. We have been isolated for 35 years, we now prefer to use our original ROC passports to travel abroad, we do not associate ourselves with the moon and start inverted so-called TRNC flag, we do not believe that the "TRNC" will ever gain any type of recognition in any way, we are now being told that houses that we so-called compensated to us after 1974 are still under threat as they are legitimately "Greek Cypriot" owned (so much for the "TRNC" ey!) and our side has now more air-headed Turks from eastern uneducated Turkey in it than Turkish Cypriots.

Face it Viewpoint, I am as frustrated as you are but the difference is I regard myself as a true "Cypriot" and do not believe Turkey gives two Kurus about our preservation or our so-called "Protection".

Turkey has never, ever sought to prove its claim on northern Cyprus, on its protection policy or has kept any of its threats. Ever the 1974 affair was an opportunity that Turkey had ill responded to - too late. Answer this.....

What happened to the Turkish threats of annexation if the ROC entered the EU - NOTHING! The ROC has been a full member of the EU now since 2004 and hey presto, still NO sign of annexation - WHAT A SURPRIZE.

What happened to all the threats if the Greek Cypriots said no to the Annan Plan in April 2004? What utter rubbish was Turkey talking about then....I recall the following from the Turkish government.. "This is Cyprus's last chance for unification"....and "The Turkish Cypriots will go their separate ways and order the UN to leave the island". Again WHAT RUBBISH. Turkey just can not stop lying about its Cyprus affairs.

Turkey has played on Turkish Cypriot emotion for so long now that WE do not believe her NO MORE, not that we ever did anyway. The ONLY PRACTICAL solutions we've seen so far have come from the Republic of Cyprus. As I have said, I can now fly direct to Cyprus...but not with my so-called bubble TRNC passport but with my original ROC passport.

If Turkey truly wants to win the hearts of ALL Turkish Cypriots, which I know it doesn't care to Kurus's about, then it better start meaning what it says, better stop WASTING OUR BLOODY LIVES. My son is now 24, was born in this UNRECOGNISED state, graduated from an UNRECOGNISED university and NOW MUST GO TO TURKEY TO FIND A JOB - What rubbish. There is no way in hell I am sending my son to Turkey, alone to seek work. The old politics of Cyprus is over, old news - the opening of the border proven how well we can generally work as people with each other. I have given the TRNC too many chances for its so-called recognition or isolation to be removed. I never thought, after 24 years later - my son's life so far, I'd be addressing the same "economic", "isolation", "Recognition" issues.

TURKEY = What a waste of time for us. We have given Turkey more than its share of chances. It's now our time to live our lives in Cyprus the way any human being and EU member state should - within our rights and liberties as a Citizen of the Republic of Cyprus with all its economic and political freedoms.

Excellent post.
May I enquire as to the likely percentage of T/Cs that you think would feel the same way. I have always believed , based on the fact that I talk to T/Cs almost on a daily basis in view of my business , that the percentage could be as high as 50% , furthermore what in your opinion should the RoC BE CONCENTRATING UPON to encourage reconciliation amongst the Cypriot people.

Removal of all foreign troops