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[Agios Amvrosios]

Syria,Georgia, Iraq, Iran and Bulgaria don't have good relations with Turkey either

[Main_Source]

In reality, what we have is just word, and maybe some good wish.
But we have most problem with greece.
And I can easily say, except Armenia, our relation with greece is worst.

between peoples or government?

[Murtaza]

Syria,Georgia, Iraq, Iran and Bulgaria don't have good relations with Turkey either

Agios Amvrosios

Wrong,

we have realy good relation with Georgia,They need us, against Russia. Turkey even dont support Abaza rebellion.(Muslim rebellion, we have some abaza citizen too)

we have good relation with Bulgaria too. They have a lot enemy, as a balkain state. In past, They treat Turkish minority bad, But now Maybe you know, There is a turkish party at their goverment.

Syria again need us, and They also accept our borders, this was main problem with Syria.

In Iran, well I cant say we are best friend, But we have no problem with them.And Thanx america, It makes Iran more friendly.

But You are right for Iraq, I just forget it. Yes we have bad relation with Kurds. That is stupidness of My country.

And for greece, Should I count our problems one by one?


Main_Source

Both, Our politic problems effect our people too. In I am sorry to say this but, greeks are a little changed history, they made ottomans as devil, and now they cannot forget it.

In reality, ottomans are not worse than other empires, even better than some of them.

[Main_Source]

chopping the heads off holymen, stealing children, over taxing the indigenous population lol...no the Ottomans were very nice werent they.

[gabaston]

ms

do you think that this never happened under greek authorites.

the spartans sent their kids into the mountains and told them not to come down for years.

Alexander the great massacred his own people in persia. And he didnt tax anyone cos mostly he simply kiled and looted then burnt to the ground all that he conquered. Who told you greeks never played these games, in fact as the first european culture, they invented them.

Welcome to 2005, if you still live in ancient times, we will never get anywhere.

[Dhavlos]

Please dont get stuck in a rutt about ottomans....it really is not worth the agrovation.

basically, (i think) Turkey and greece are getting on OK. Only a couple of minor disputes which would not turn into a WW3 - due to the EU...they would not allow greece to go to war with turkey, and turkey would not dare go to war with greece because they want to join the EU.

The people however, are probably different.

[gabaston]

well said dhavlos

[Dhavlos]

thanks gab.

just as a general thing for everyone.....these parts of the forum is concerned with the cyprus solution....correct me if im wrong but isnt that looking towards the future/current events???... ANalysing/questioning/proposing stufff???

NOT ARGUING OVER WHAT HAPPENED A GOOD 100-200+ YEARS AGO...

If you want to talk about the ottomans...go to a history forum or something.....i dont want to here about it here

[Murtaza]

Main_Source

Thank you for showing me I am right.

[MicAtCyp]

There would be other countries to recognise TRNC too.

Do you think that the world did not recognise "trnc" because they love the GCs? No my friend, it is because by doing so there will be a precedent that will split their own countries into 100 pieces.Every minority in every country will declare independence and ask for recognition.Even Azerbaijan will lose it's Nakorno-Karabah region.The blacks in the USA will declare 4-5 states theirs.The Hispanics the same.Scotland the same.... There will be no end to that.The Countries of the world will increase from 120 to 1200 in just 10 years!!!
So yes, beleive me if they want to recognise "trnc" I say go ahead do it.

By the way, I support reunion, Not because for TC or GC, but for Turkey. We dont need an enemy greece. We have other issues. There is not much left at west, We should return east, Turkic Countries, and other countries, and If there is a enemy greece, It will make us vulnerable.Also It will also force us, to waste our energy at balkan issues. If we can be friend with Greece, Their support to serbs will be less.

I agree with you. In fact Greece is too different from the rest of the Europeans. I beleive they want to be friends with Turkey, because hey, if Turkey advances Greece will be the first country to benefit. However there is a problem internally in Turkey I mean the nationalists and the Army leaders want to keep Cyprus for their "prestige". Unless Turkey puts the Army under the orders of the Political leadership solving the Cyprus problem will be very difficult.

EU is just an economical power, they have not militarical power. Without supporting your politics with Army, you cannot have much think to do.

Hmm I agree partially with you.Yes EU is not a military power yet.However if you notice they actually fund the Americans to do the Military job for them and keep the "world order".The Americans have a huge external debt.Where do the own money?To Japan? No. To China? No. They owe it all to Europe!That's why the Americans want Turkey to be in Europe.Because otherwise Turkey will not be able to pay them and they will not be able to pay back their own debt to Europe!

About Nakorno Karabah this region is similar to "trnc" in Cyprus correct? They ask for recognition. So if Azerbaijan recognises "trnc" it will lose Nakorno Karabah. (I am not very well aware of this issue anyway-I might be wrong on that). If I am correct then what is your comment on that?

May I ask a personal question: Nerede oturuyorsun? (Where do you live?)