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[gabaston]

As Muslims we detest so-called Islamic terrorists. They have their own agendas and wage terrorist wars in the name of Islam. They abuse the Islamic faith. Whatever their reasons are, most Moslems can see through them, and resent trying to be dragged into these issues.

Some posters recently have been trying to turn our Cyprus problem into a Christian v Moslem, or European issue. As we resent terrorists for trying to drag us into their issues, so the Christian World and Europeans will resent those attempting to drag them into the Cyprob.


Btw not that it makes any difference, and I stand to be corrected, but isn’t cyprus technically part of the Asian continent?

[Main_Source]

I dont think Islamic terrorists are muslim just as much as groups like the KKK portrayed themselves as Christian. What I would like to know is, do you see then invading Ottoman Empire being 'good muslims'? I myself do not say the so called Christians who went around forcing there religion accross Africa and the Americas as being 'good Christians' at all.

Also, I would like to see a pic of these posters depecting the Cyprus problem as Christians v Muslims? Is it Greeks or Turks making these posters? Do you have any you can post here? I find this very far from the truth, considering that Greece and Cyprus has had better relations many muslims states in the past, than Turkey.

As for Cyprus being technically Asian...I dont see how. If Greeks werent forced from the west of what was then Asia Minor...and that area became unified with the rest of Greek lands to, later to be called Greece...would western Asia Minor be called a part of Asia? Would Greece be half European and half Asian?

Dont let this 'Cyprus is Asian' thing be another propaganda tactic, to show how 'Greekless' Cyprus is.

[Murtaza]

worst for Greeks, yes...infact, not only Greeks but most Christians in the middle east and north Africa.

Hmm there were a lot christian in anatolia until 1900. After 800 year(For anatolia) they are still not a small minority. But maybe 30%.

And For greece, they are majority after 500 year, my friend most of empires dont let this much. Specialy If this minorities are not related with their religion.

After Rebellion of Greeks, ottoman had less and less tolarance against Christians, That is not a hard life to live as a christian in ottoman. At least not much hard, they didnt change their religion.

Lets think other way, What would be happen If It was byzantium attack and conquered Turks, Would be stay Turks still?

But yes, If you look that way, what you said is true. They are most harmful empire against eastern christianity, Because there is not another one.

[gabaston]

ms

like i said it doesnt matter but try these two links, they seem to put cyprus is in asia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Asia

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/geography/asia/

[Yiannis]

Btw not that it makes any difference, and I stand to be corrected, but isn’t cyprus technically part of the Asian continent?

Cyprus is geographically supposed to lie in Asia but ideologically and because of many aspects of culture it is considered to be more European than Asian.

[MicAtCyp]

First of all: The right for self determination is a basic human right and not at all restricted by anything

Oh really?Says who?Do some reading wise guy.The self determination rights has restrictions on how it can be excercised.

The TC are not a minority in Cyprus, they have been and still are the equal partners of the GC. It was the GC who started to kill them and to try to get them out of Cyprus

They were and are an arithmetic minority.They are partners with equal rights in some fields and not equal in other.

It's very funny to read your continous lamentation and complaints about the current situation on the island. You should remember that it has been the GC with the famous Makarios on top and Grivas with his gunmen like your actual president who destroyed the RoC. Creating these troubles including your internal civil war you got it like a silly boy on the backside. That's all.

I already answered you in another thread. If you think yourselves differ from the silly boys on the backside, then you better ask other TCs to explain you. In short the first silly boy got a slam, the other one got detention and tie up to his mothers dress. Which one of the two can date chicks though?

My recommendation to you: Don't make anymore troubles on the island, be calm and friendly south of the Green Line because history is showing us that you are always the loosers by following your daydreams!

And my recommendation to you:Do what you can the earliest possible because 20 years down the road there will not be any TC left in Cyprus.You will all emmigrate abroad and be substituted by settlers. Besides who the real loosers are, can seen after you cross the greenline.In case you havent crossed ask others to tell you.

but the GC-community has lost the war they were creating and that's the bill presented to them!

Ha,ha,ha. And you presumably won the war right? Is that why more than half of you emigrated abroad abandoning everything? Weak up boy!!!

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I don't think something like a highly emotive and complex situation like property exchange/compensation can be sorted out face-to-face with people on an individual basis - I couldn't think of anything more likely to bring the guns out in fact!

If not on a face to face then some committee escorted by Police should do it on the basis of each one getting his own property back, and then sell it, rent it, exchange it, or go back to live in it. Nobody can expropriate the properties of the people and donate them for free to others. Everyone who wants to keep it must pay the real value or rent to the owner through that committee.

[MicAtCyp]

Thank you Murtaza for your reply. I always like your points, but man it is very difficult to understand your English, sometimes I read every paragraph 3-4 times to get your meaning, and sometimes I don't get it at all. Could you please check them up after you finish your writting, I beleive you know enough English to write more tidy your thoughts.

Look USA, They support Kurds, Look Russia they supported Serbs at bosnia, Look Greece They supported Kurds, Look Turkey they are supporting Turks at Iraq. (All country I said have some minority in Itself) In Reality, minority problem is just related with force, nothing more.

Hmmm good point! I would say related also to braking down some forces into smaller pieces.However I think you mix up two issues:Support is one thing, recognise as an independent state is another. Every country that recognises the "trnc" as an independent state is like saying it's OK for the same thing to happen to her. I hope you understand my point.

Why do you think accepting TRNC will change all of this? Countries support other minorities and still want to hold their minorities.

-First reason for what I said above.
-Second and most important because 80% of the land and proprties in the "trnc" dont belong to the TCs!.They belong to the GCs!
-Third reason is because "trnc" is the result of an ethnic cleansing..

If I am not wrong, most of the debts of USA is to their citizen. They are inside-debts

No, they also have a huge external debt.In fact their external debt increases every year as much as the costs of their ministry of defence.So their total defense spending adds to their external debt.For how long can they stand to be like that?
For the moment yes EU does not seem to want to be a military power. In the future who knows?

This is not a good way to take your right backs. You have just two alternatives, first force to Turkey and TC, second convince to Turkey and TC.

The problem is if we cannot press or convince enough to get at least the minimum of our rights back then the situation will remain as it is.We don't like that, the TCs don't like that Turkey doesn’t like that.So in the end some people have to convince themselves what do you think?
On the other hand if we accept there is no such thing called fairness we should all return to the jungle and start from there.
I think you are very absolute in what you said. There is a balance of fairness and power in this world actually. Otherwise the whole world would revolt.

[MicAtCyp]

As far as I understand the original article does not talk about recognition but for accepting the passports .Will someone ever answer my question which is relevant to that or not?i repeat:

Pardon me one question here: Don't the US, the UK and many other countries already accept "trnc" passports?? If yes what is the big deal with Azerbaijan?

Oh, now I understand why nobody replied.Because nobody knows.Because noone of you has "trnc" passport. All of the TCs in here have RoC Passports!!!
Well guys don't be shy, just say it, I can understand.

[gabaston]

yiannis


please dont take this personally but

if my grandmother had,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

like i said its no big deal, but lets just be what we are huh.

if cyprus is in asia we're asians, irrespective of culture.
if i eat hamburgers, watch friends, and play baseball, does that make me culturally american?

Isreal enters the eurosong contest - does that make her european.
Egypt has asian culture, but egypt is african.

wots the big issue in admitting what we are? if we cant be true to ourselves, how can we expect others to believe us?

[Turkey (( *]

Wait up, wait up, I would like some one to confirm that please!!

MicAtCyp

Can you tell me how come TRNC has an embassy in Washington and in London if they are not recognized and if they have no passports?? If they had RoC passports they could just go to RoC embassies, no??