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[The Cypriot]

Being a guarantor means having obligations.

Here are some proposals mooted by third parties as to how guarantor arrangements could work in practice. I have been asked to post them here for comment.


The guarantors of the territorial integrity and constitution of Cyprus remain Greece, Turkey and the UK, but with oversight by the UN Security Council.

Guarantors have no rights in relation to Cyprus or its component states, only obligations. These obligations extend to protecting the human rights of all Cypriots. A guarantor must treat Cypriots equally and must not act in favour of one community of Cypriots at the expense of another.

A guarantor cannot intervene in Cyprus without the prior sanction of the UN Security Council. Such sanction will only be given if the UN Security Council is satisfied that:

* there has been a serious, widespread and persistent breach of Cypriot human rights that the Cypriot authorities are unable to rectify;

* all guarantors have first consulted with each other, as well as with the federal state of Cyprus and both component states;

* every attempt has been made to achieve a consensus position among all concerned parties and to avoid unilateral action or conflict.

If a guarantor acts unilaterally with an intent other than to restore human rights followed by the guarantor’s immediate withdrawal, then the other guarantors are compelled to act militarily to force such withdrawal.

Furthermore any guarantor judged by the UN Security Council to have acted outside the terms and spirit of its guarantee obligations will have economic and military sanctions imposed upon it for as long as it is in breach.

The guarantee arrangements will remain in place for a maximum of ten years and may be terminated earlier at Cyprus’s option if both component states agree.

[CBBB]

Whether Turkey has Guarantor powers if there is ever a settlement makes bugger all difference. If they don't have these rights and decide to invade, who the bloody hell is going to stop them, Paphitis and the Aussies?

[Paphitis]

Whether Turkey has Guarantor powers if there is ever a settlement makes bugger all difference. If they don't have these rights and decide to invade, who the bloody hell is going to stop them, Paphitis and the Aussies?

The issue with the Guarantor Treaty is that Turkey will have a free ticket to undermine and influence the Government.

It also means there will be Turkish and Greek troops stationed on the island, and as you know, The Annan Plan was rejected at least in some part due to security concerns that this posed to the GCs.

And no! Australia will probably do bugger all if Turkey invaded again. At best, Australia may offer peace keeping forces just like anywhere else.

Will Britain stop them? This is probably a better question, since they are a Guarantor and are obligated to intervene, but did not do so for obvious reasons!

[The Cypriot]

Comments from TCs, in particular, would be appreciated as their leadership has been insistent that Turkey's guarantor status is a red line.

[Paphitis]

Furthermore any guarantor judged by the UN Security Council to have acted outside the terms and spirit of its guarantee obligations will have economic and military sanctions imposed upon it for as long as it is in breach.

I'm no TC, but I have serious concerns.

The UN has proven its past record, as it has not voted to impose any sanctions upon Turkey for the 74 invasion.

Therefore, please forgive me for being a tad cynical. The UN is commonly referred to as the "toothless tiger", just like all other Guarantor Powers, I find it hard to believe they will keep their end of the bargain.

BTW, who are the third parties that mooted this proposal?

[The Cypriot]

Furthermore any guarantor judged by the UN Security Council to have acted outside the terms and spirit of its guarantee obligations will have economic and military sanctions imposed upon it for as long as it is in breach.

I'm no TC, but I have serious concerns.

The UN has proven its past record, as it has not voted to impose any sanctions upon Turkey for the 74 invasion.

Therefore, please forgive me for being a tad cynical. The UN is commonly referred to as the "toothless tiger", just like all other Guarantor Powers, I find it hard to believe they will keep their end of the bargain.

I made this point myself. This would need to be worked on.

BTW, who are the third parties that mooted this proposal?

I'm afraid I am not at liberty to say.

[insan]

Being a guarantor means having obligations.

Here are some proposals mooted by third parties as to how guarantor arrangements could work in practice. I have been asked to post them here for comment.


The guarantors of the territorial integrity and constitution of Cyprus remain Greece, Turkey and the UK, but with oversight by the UN Security Council.

Guarantors have no rights in relation to Cyprus or its component states, only obligations. These obligations extend to protecting the human rights of all Cypriots. A guarantor must treat Cypriots equally and must not act in favour of one community of Cypriots at the expense of another.

A guarantor cannot intervene in Cyprus without the prior sanction of the UN Security Council. Such sanction will only be given if the UN Security Council is satisfied that:

* there has been a serious, widespread and persistent breach of Cypriot human rights that the Cypriot authorities are unable to rectify;

* all guarantors have first consulted with each other, as well as with the federal state of Cyprus and both component states;

* every attempt has been made to achieve a consensus position among all concerned parties and to avoid unilateral action or conflict.

If a guarantor acts unilaterally with an intent other than to restore human rights followed by the guarantor’s immediate withdrawal, then the other guarantors are compelled to act militarily to force such withdrawal.

Furthermore any guarantor judged by the UN Security Council to have acted outside the terms and spirit of its guarantee obligations will have economic and military sanctions imposed upon it for as long as it is in breach.

The guarantee arrangements will remain in place for a maximum of ten years and may be terminated earlier at Cyprus’s option if both component states agree.

Good ideas. As long as some members of UN security council don't plot or act in direction of their self-interests; such a treaty of guarantee would most probably work. In this wild capitalistic world order that world population grows more and more while resources getting less and less, on the other hand Turco-Phobia still exists and Islamo_phobia is on the rise; anything is possible in the future.

[Paphitis]

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[Byron]

Being a guarantor means having obligations.

Here are some proposals mooted by third parties as to how guarantor arrangements could work in practice. I have been asked to post them here for comment.


The guarantors of the territorial integrity and constitution of Cyprus remain Greece, Turkey and the UK, but with oversight by the UN Security Council.

Guarantors have no rights in relation to Cyprus or its component states, only obligations. These obligations extend to protecting the human rights of all Cypriots. A guarantor must treat Cypriots equally and must not act in favour of one community of Cypriots at the expense of another.

A guarantor cannot intervene in Cyprus without the prior sanction of the UN Security Council. Such sanction will only be given if the UN Security Council is satisfied that:

* there has been a serious, widespread and persistent breach of Cypriot human rights that the Cypriot authorities are unable to rectify;

* all guarantors have first consulted with each other, as well as with the federal state of Cyprus and both component states;

* every attempt has been made to achieve a consensus position among all concerned parties and to avoid unilateral action or conflict.

If a guarantor acts unilaterally with an intent other than to restore human rights followed by the guarantor’s immediate withdrawal, then the other guarantors are compelled to act militarily to force such withdrawal.

Furthermore any guarantor judged by the UN Security Council to have acted outside the terms and spirit of its guarantee obligations will have economic and military sanctions imposed upon it for as long as it is in breach.

The guarantee arrangements will remain in place for a maximum of ten years and may be terminated earlier at Cyprus’s option if both component states agree.

Are these proposals for a Cyprus solution and if so under what pretext. Please clarify ?

[The Cypriot]

Are these proposals for a Cyprus solution...

No. Just proposals for getting round the guarantor issue, which is evidently a particular stumbling block.