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[Hatter]

Being a guarantor means having obligations.

Here are some proposals mooted by third parties as to how guarantor arrangements could work in practice. I have been asked to post them here for comment.


The guarantors of the territorial integrity and constitution of Cyprus remain Greece, Turkey and the UK, but with oversight by the UN Security Council.

Guarantors have no rights in relation to Cyprus or its component states, only obligations. These obligations extend to protecting the human rights of all Cypriots. A guarantor must treat Cypriots equally and must not act in favour of one community of Cypriots at the expense of another.

A guarantor cannot intervene in Cyprus without the prior sanction of the UN Security Council. Such sanction will only be given if the UN Security Council is satisfied that:

* there has been a serious, widespread and persistent breach of Cypriot human rights that the Cypriot authorities are unable to rectify;

* all guarantors have first consulted with each other, as well as with the federal state of Cyprus and both component states;

* every attempt has been made to achieve a consensus position among all concerned parties and to avoid unilateral action or conflict.

If a guarantor acts unilaterally with an intent other than to restore human rights followed by the guarantor’s immediate withdrawal, then the other guarantors are compelled to act militarily to force such withdrawal.

Furthermore any guarantor judged by the UN Security Council to have acted outside the terms and spirit of its guarantee obligations will have economic and military sanctions imposed upon it for as long as it is in breach.

The guarantee arrangements will remain in place for a maximum of ten years and may be terminated earlier at Cyprus’s option if both component states agree.

Do your anonymous mooters think that we were all born yesterday?
A scheme whereby one of the guarantors is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and therefore has ex-officio a veto at the august forum? judged by the UN Security Council eh? Pe allonan, The Cypriot. And even in the event of the Security Council judging that a guarantor has acted inoutside the terms ... etc, what will ensure the consequent actions (sanctions)? The whole concept is ridiculous.

You could, of course, substitute "Greece, Turkey, UK" by the permanent members of the UN SC acting in unison and you might have a credible proposal.

[BOF]

Are these proposals for a Cyprus solution...

No. Just proposals for getting round the guarantor issue, which is evidently a particular stumbling block.

In the future, the only guarantor Cyprus needs is the EU .

The EU as a whole is not a military force so dont wait for them to come charging over the hill when the s**t hits the fan.
They will impose sanctions - that isnt going to drive anybody back as has been proved time and time again.
If you are going to throw the hated British off the bases i think i would make sure that Johnny Turk has vacated the premises (Cyprus) first..
Just in case.

[Byron]

Are these proposals for a Cyprus solution...

No. Just proposals for getting round the guarantor issue, which is evidently a particular stumbling block.

In the future, the only guarantor Cyprus needs is the EU .

The EU as a whole is not a military force so dont wait for them to come charging over the hill when the s**t hits the fan.
They will impose sanctions - that isnt going to drive anybody back as has been proved time and time again.
If you are going to throw the hated British off the bases i think i would make sure that Johnny Turk has vacated the premises (Cyprus) first..
Just in case.

The EU is not required to intervene military but politically and in any case the bailiff will soon be round to see off Johnny Turk. It is well overdue.

[denizaksulu]

http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/popup.php ... c_Haberler

The above article from todays Kibris newspaper, is ststing the Turkish Foreign minister Huseyin Ozgurgun as saying that the Turkish Guarantorship over Cyprus is non-NEGOTIABLE.

He goes on to accuse the 'South Cyprus Greek Leadership' (the RoC) of trying to bring the EU into the 'Guarantorship equation. Then he points out that 'the treaty of Guarantee' was an international treaty and 'legally binding etc.

In view of the above I do not believe that Turkey will have its 'hands tied behind its back' with the subject 'Guarantorship package' above unless the TCs piss them off.

Come on you TCs. Lets see what you want.

As far as I can see the RoC and the EU will have all the authority to exclude Turkey and other parties from sticking their nose into Cyprus 'business. (ie. if a new 'Guarantorship Treaty was ever struck)

[DT.]

http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/popup.php/cat/2/news/77163/PageName/Ic_Haberler

The above article from todays Kibris newspaper, is ststing the Turkish Foreign minister Huseyin Ozgurgun as saying that the Turkish Guarantorship over Cyprus is non-NEGOTIABLE.

He goes on to accuse the 'South Cyprus Greek Leadership' (the RoC) of trying to bring the EU into the 'Guarantorship equation. Then he points out that 'the treaty of Guarantee' was an international treaty and 'legally binding etc.

In view of the above I do not believe that Turkey will have its 'hands tied behind its back' with the subject 'Guarantorship package' above unless the TCs piss them off.

Come on you TCs. Lets see what you want.

As far as I can see the RoC and the EU will have all the authority to exclude Turkey and other parties from sticking their nose into Cyprus 'business.

You know what else is an international legally binding treaty? The protocol Turkey signed with the EU.

[denizaksulu]

http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/popup.php/cat/2/news/77163/PageName/Ic_Haberler

The above article from todays Kibris newspaper, is ststing the Turkish Foreign minister Huseyin Ozgurgun as saying that the Turkish Guarantorship over Cyprus is non-NEGOTIABLE.

He goes on to accuse the 'South Cyprus Greek Leadership' (the RoC) of trying to bring the EU into the 'Guarantorship equation. Then he points out that 'the treaty of Guarantee' was an international treaty and 'legally binding etc.

In view of the above I do not believe that Turkey will have its 'hands tied behind its back' with the subject 'Guarantorship package' above unless the TCs piss them off.

Come on you TCs. Lets see what you want.

As far as I can see the RoC and the EU will have all the authority to exclude Turkey and other parties from sticking their nose into Cyprus 'business.

You know what else is an international legally binding treaty? The protocol Turkey signed with the EU.

as if Turkey cares one iota. Turkey is a maverick country as she has proven to be.

[DT.]

http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/popup.php/cat/2/news/77163/PageName/Ic_Haberler

The above article from todays Kibris newspaper, is ststing the Turkish Foreign minister Huseyin Ozgurgun as saying that the Turkish Guarantorship over Cyprus is non-NEGOTIABLE.

He goes on to accuse the 'South Cyprus Greek Leadership' (the RoC) of trying to bring the EU into the 'Guarantorship equation. Then he points out that 'the treaty of Guarantee' was an international treaty and 'legally binding etc.

In view of the above I do not believe that Turkey will have its 'hands tied behind its back' with the subject 'Guarantorship package' above unless the TCs piss them off.

Come on you TCs. Lets see what you want.

As far as I can see the RoC and the EU will have all the authority to exclude Turkey and other parties from sticking their nose into Cyprus 'business.

You know what else is an international legally binding treaty? The protocol Turkey signed with the EU.

as if Turkey cares one iota. Turkey is a maverick country as she has proven to be.

This is the danger that Turkey faces. It doesn't matter how large or strategic a country is, once its deemed unreliable to international agreements it will never be fully trusted as an ally. The suspicion with which its friends show it will remain and the transition from regional strategic partner to a regional liability can be sudden.