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[EPSILON]

Christofias is a joke , he is planning to sell us to the Turks, nobody in Cyprus has confidence in him.

Christofias may be too far left for a few of us but that doesn't mean he's out to sell anyone. guarantees, virgin births and compensation rather than return are red lines that will not be crossed and have the legal backing to withstand international criticism. Govt power sharing will be our biggest compromise if significant territory adjustments are made.

The President has a knack of repeating his arguments to every EU leader and to any American and Russian that visits the Presidential Palace thereby laying the foundations for a possible blame game to hit the Turkish side. The PR campaign that is being planned on the possible collapse of the talks if the outcome is forecasted to be rejected by a referendum will be unprecedented.

Turkey will be the loser from this round of talks, and every time Eroglu or Esheksiksi (whatever his name is) open their mouth about 2 states and Turkish military presence the losses for Turkey mount up that little bit more.

The people of Cyprus have elected the most progressive, solution seeking President they will ever elect. If Turkey kicks this opportunity away it will regret it. These concessions by the President are done in the knowledge that they won't be reciprocated.

Agree with you 100%.

If anything, it will confirm to all GCs that it is with Turkey and Turks we are dealing with, meaning that they will never budge one iota. They want a complete unconditional surrender from us, and I don't think Christofias will sell us out.

It is just that the anti communist forces within Cyprus are so bigoted against AKEL, they find it unbearable that Cyprus has an AKEL President. It is this type of mentality that plagues Cypriots in general when dealing with the Cyprob.

Personally, I dont think Christofias is a sell-out. He will negotiate and present his case to the populus who after a referandum - which will say OHI Mk III - will retire saying he tried but the people voted NO. The same goes for the Northern administration. What else did anyone expect.

Referendums are the most stupid things in Democracies.
Can someone explain to me on what legal or other knowledge a citizen can vote yes or no on a solution plan which is under prepare for 35 years , full of legal terms and conclusions?

Simple example

A country make a referendum to go to war or not- How the citizens can vote unless they have (all of them ) a full report from the Defence ministry of the available military power/secret guns/secret plans etc.?

This is the reason we ellect certain people to do the job.

[Byron]

Since everyone is so confident on Cristofias striking a deal to suit Greek and Turkish Cypriots what timescale should we give him to finalise the deal: 6 months, 1,2,5 , 50 years ? Any thoughts ?

[denizaksulu]

Since everyone is so confident on Cristofias striking a deal to suit Greek and Turkish Cypriots what timescale should we give him to finalise the deal: 6 months, 1,2,5 , 50 years ? Any thoughts ?

If he lives long enough. 50+ years. By then the GC's will be outnumbered.

[Tony-4497]

Christofias initially said Yes to the AP - then turned that to "Yes - subject to implementation gurantees" and then "No - to cement the Yes" after he realised there was no chance people would vote for it even if AKEL said Yes.

Fundamentally he is a bigger fan of the AP than Anastasiades - his dishonesty is what enabled him to become President.

Accordingly, and given that Turkey (i.e. the real counterparty) still supports the AP, there is absolutely no reason for not reaching agreement - apart from the need to "sell" this to the GC public (in the words of the British HC.

The so-called tough negotiations are a joke performance designed to convince GCs that the new plan will be somewhat better. Combined with this will increasingly be statements similar to the one above (i.e. we made mistakes too, so we deserve to lose half our country..), together with "education" of the GC public by controlled media and journalists of the calibre of Eirini Haralambidou.. and removing any kind of resistance from schools, the army etc.. all to help GCs swallow the pill.

The solution will be effectively the AP with a minor improvements in some areas designed to "impress the GCs" and help Christofias claim victory. AKEL and DISY (who together took more than 70% at the last elections) will strongly support Yes. There will also be clear threats from various countries that they will recognise TRNC if GCs say No.

If on the basis of the above a marginal Yes is obtained, Christofias will have achieved his goal and probably receive a Nobel peace prize (per Politis).

[YFred]

Christofias initially said Yes to the AP - then turned that to "Yes - subject to implementation gurantees" and then "No - to cement the Yes" after he realised there was no chance people would vote for it even if AKEL said Yes.

Fundamentally he is a bigger fan of the AP than Anastasiades - his dishonesty is what enabled him to become President.

Accordingly, and given that Turkey (i.e. the real counterparty) still supports the AP, there is absolutely no reason for not reaching agreement - apart from the need to "sell" this to the GC public (in the words of the British HC.

The so-called tough negotiations are a joke performance designed to convince GCs that the new plan will be somewhat better. Combined with this will increasingly be statements similar to the one above (i.e. we made mistakes too, so we deserve to lose half our country..), together with "education" of the GC public by controlled media and journalists of the calibre of Eirini Haralambidou.. and removing any kind of resistance from schools, the army etc.. all to help GCs swallow the pill.

The solution will be effectively the AP with a minor improvements in some areas designed to "impress the GCs" and help Christofias claim victory. AKEL and DISY (who together took more than 70% at the last elections) will strongly support Yes. There will also be clear threats from various countries that they will recognise TRNC if GCs say No.

If on the basis of the above a marginal Yes is obtained, Christofias will have achieved his goal and probably receive a Nobel peace prize (per Politis).

You are 100% right. Well done.

[Paphitis]

Christofias initially said Yes to the AP - then turned that to "Yes - subject to implementation gurantees" and then "No - to cement the Yes" after he realised there was no chance people would vote for it even if AKEL said Yes.

Fundamentally he is a bigger fan of the AP than Anastasiades - his dishonesty is what enabled him to become President.

Accordingly, and given that Turkey (i.e. the real counterparty) still supports the AP, there is absolutely no reason for not reaching agreement - apart from the need to "sell" this to the GC public (in the words of the British HC.

The so-called tough negotiations are a joke performance designed to convince GCs that the new plan will be somewhat better. Combined with this will increasingly be statements similar to the one above (i.e. we made mistakes too, so we deserve to lose half our country..), together with "education" of the GC public by controlled media and journalists of the calibre of Eirini Haralambidou.. and removing any kind of resistance from schools, the army etc.. all to help GCs swallow the pill.

The solution will be effectively the AP with a minor improvements in some areas designed to "impress the GCs" and help Christofias claim victory. AKEL and DISY (who together took more than 70% at the last elections) will strongly support Yes. There will also be clear threats from various countries that they will recognise TRNC if GCs say No.

If on the basis of the above a marginal Yes is obtained, Christofias will have achieved his goal and probably receive a Nobel peace prize (per Politis).

There is one glaring flaw with your summary.

When it comes to voting on a so called "political solution" such as the Annan Plan, people WILL NOT vote along party lines....

Furthermore, no nation in their right mind would threaten the RoC by recognizing the "trnc" and ignore the UN resolutions...It has never hapenned in the past and it is impossible to happen in the future!

[EPSILON]

Christofias initially said Yes to the AP - then turned that to "Yes - subject to implementation gurantees" and then "No - to cement the Yes" after he realised there was no chance people would vote for it even if AKEL said Yes.

Fundamentally he is a bigger fan of the AP than Anastasiades - his dishonesty is what enabled him to become President.

Accordingly, and given that Turkey (i.e. the real counterparty) still supports the AP, there is absolutely no reason for not reaching agreement - apart from the need to "sell" this to the GC public (in the words of the British HC.

The so-called tough negotiations are a joke performance designed to convince GCs that the new plan will be somewhat better. Combined with this will increasingly be statements similar to the one above (i.e. we made mistakes too, so we deserve to lose half our country..), together with "education" of the GC public by controlled media and journalists of the calibre of Eirini Haralambidou.. and removing any kind of resistance from schools, the army etc.. all to help GCs swallow the pill.

The solution will be effectively the AP with a minor improvements in some areas designed to "impress the GCs" and help Christofias claim victory. AKEL and DISY (who together took more than 70% at the last elections) will strongly support Yes. There will also be clear threats from various countries that they will recognise TRNC if GCs say No.

If on the basis of the above a marginal Yes is obtained, Christofias will have achieved his goal and probably receive a Nobel peace prize (per Politis).

Maybe Cristofias and Anastasiades get a Nobel peace prize but in few years they will not have citizens to govern. G/cs will start to do what T/cs did- Going to LDN!!!1

[Paphitis]

Christofias initially said Yes to the AP - then turned that to "Yes - subject to implementation gurantees" and then "No - to cement the Yes" after he realised there was no chance people would vote for it even if AKEL said Yes.

Fundamentally he is a bigger fan of the AP than Anastasiades - his dishonesty is what enabled him to become President.

Accordingly, and given that Turkey (i.e. the real counterparty) still supports the AP, there is absolutely no reason for not reaching agreement - apart from the need to "sell" this to the GC public (in the words of the British HC.

The so-called tough negotiations are a joke performance designed to convince GCs that the new plan will be somewhat better. Combined with this will increasingly be statements similar to the one above (i.e. we made mistakes too, so we deserve to lose half our country..), together with "education" of the GC public by controlled media and journalists of the calibre of Eirini Haralambidou.. and removing any kind of resistance from schools, the army etc.. all to help GCs swallow the pill.

The solution will be effectively the AP with a minor improvements in some areas designed to "impress the GCs" and help Christofias claim victory. AKEL and DISY (who together took more than 70% at the last elections) will strongly support Yes. There will also be clear threats from various countries that they will recognise TRNC if GCs say No.

If on the basis of the above a marginal Yes is obtained, Christofias will have achieved his goal and probably receive a Nobel peace prize (per Politis).

Maybe Cristofias and Anastasiades get a Nobel peace prize but in few years they will not have citizens to govern. G/cs will start to do what T/cs did- Going to LDN!!!1

London, Australia, US, Canada, here we come.

And Cyprus becomes Turkish....What a solution that is....

[EPSILON]

Christofias initially said Yes to the AP - then turned that to "Yes - subject to implementation gurantees" and then "No - to cement the Yes" after he realised there was no chance people would vote for it even if AKEL said Yes.

Fundamentally he is a bigger fan of the AP than Anastasiades - his dishonesty is what enabled him to become President.

Accordingly, and given that Turkey (i.e. the real counterparty) still supports the AP, there is absolutely no reason for not reaching agreement - apart from the need to "sell" this to the GC public (in the words of the British HC.

The so-called tough negotiations are a joke performance designed to convince GCs that the new plan will be somewhat better. Combined with this will increasingly be statements similar to the one above (i.e. we made mistakes too, so we deserve to lose half our country..), together with "education" of the GC public by controlled media and journalists of the calibre of Eirini Haralambidou.. and removing any kind of resistance from schools, the army etc.. all to help GCs swallow the pill.

The solution will be effectively the AP with a minor improvements in some areas designed to "impress the GCs" and help Christofias claim victory. AKEL and DISY (who together took more than 70% at the last elections) will strongly support Yes. There will also be clear threats from various countries that they will recognise TRNC if GCs say No.

If on the basis of the above a marginal Yes is obtained, Christofias will have achieved his goal and probably receive a Nobel peace prize (per Politis).

Maybe Cristofias and Anastasiades get a Nobel peace prize but in few years they will not have citizens to govern. G/cs will start to do what T/cs did- Going to LDN!!!1

London, Australia, US, Canada, here we come.

And Cyprus becomes Turkish....What a solution that is....

The one under progress!!!

[Paphitis]

Christofias initially said Yes to the AP - then turned that to "Yes - subject to implementation gurantees" and then "No - to cement the Yes" after he realised there was no chance people would vote for it even if AKEL said Yes.

Fundamentally he is a bigger fan of the AP than Anastasiades - his dishonesty is what enabled him to become President.

Accordingly, and given that Turkey (i.e. the real counterparty) still supports the AP, there is absolutely no reason for not reaching agreement - apart from the need to "sell" this to the GC public (in the words of the British HC.

The so-called tough negotiations are a joke performance designed to convince GCs that the new plan will be somewhat better. Combined with this will increasingly be statements similar to the one above (i.e. we made mistakes too, so we deserve to lose half our country..), together with "education" of the GC public by controlled media and journalists of the calibre of Eirini Haralambidou.. and removing any kind of resistance from schools, the army etc.. all to help GCs swallow the pill.

The solution will be effectively the AP with a minor improvements in some areas designed to "impress the GCs" and help Christofias claim victory. AKEL and DISY (who together took more than 70% at the last elections) will strongly support Yes. There will also be clear threats from various countries that they will recognise TRNC if GCs say No.

If on the basis of the above a marginal Yes is obtained, Christofias will have achieved his goal and probably receive a Nobel peace prize (per Politis).

Maybe Cristofias and Anastasiades get a Nobel peace prize but in few years they will not have citizens to govern. G/cs will start to do what T/cs did- Going to LDN!!!1

London, Australia, US, Canada, here we come.

And Cyprus becomes Turkish....What a solution that is....

The one under progress!!!

Over our dead bodies Epsilon!