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Postby Byron » Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:33 am

Byron wrote:Christofias is a joke , he is planning to sell us to the Turks, nobody in cyprus has confidence in him.
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Postby DT. » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:26 am

Byron wrote:
Byron wrote:Christofias is a joke , he is planning to sell us to the Turks, nobody in Cyprus has confidence in him.


Christofias may be too far left for a few of us but that doesn't mean he's out to sell anyone. guarantees, virgin births and compensation rather than return are red lines that will not be crossed and have the legal backing to withstand international criticism. Govt power sharing will be our biggest compromise if significant territory adjustments are made.

The President has a knack of repeating his arguments to every EU leader and to any American and Russian that visits the Presidential Palace thereby laying the foundations for a possible blame game to hit the Turkish side. The PR campaign that is being planned on the possible collapse of the talks if the outcome is forecasted to be rejected by a referendum will be unprecedented.

Turkey will be the loser from this round of talks, and every time Eroglu or Esheksiksi (whatever his name is) open their mouth about 2 states and Turkish military presence the losses for Turkey mount up that little bit more.

The people of Cyprus have elected the most progressive, solution seeking President they will ever elect. If Turkey kicks this opportunity away it will regret it. These concessions by the President are done in the knowledge that they won't be reciprocated.
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:32 am

DT. wrote:
Byron wrote:
Byron wrote:Christofias is a joke , he is planning to sell us to the Turks, nobody in Cyprus has confidence in him.


Christofias may be too far left for a few of us but that doesn't mean he's out to sell anyone. guarantees, virgin births and compensation rather than return are red lines that will not be crossed and have the legal backing to withstand international criticism. Govt power sharing will be our biggest compromise if significant territory adjustments are made.

The President has a knack of repeating his arguments to every EU leader and to any American and Russian that visits the Presidential Palace thereby laying the foundations for a possible blame game to hit the Turkish side. The PR campaign that is being planned on the possible collapse of the talks if the outcome is forecasted to be rejected by a referendum will be unprecedented.

Turkey will be the loser from this round of talks, and every time Eroglu or Esheksiksi (whatever his name is) open their mouth about 2 states and Turkish military presence the losses for Turkey mount up that little bit more.

The people of Cyprus have elected the most progressive, solution seeking President they will ever elect. If Turkey kicks this opportunity away it will regret it. These concessions by the President are done in the knowledge that they won't be reciprocated.


Agree with you 100%.

If anything, it will confirm to all GCs that it is with Turkey and Turks we are dealing with, meaning that they will never budge one iota. They want a complete unconditional surrender from us, and I don't think Christofias will sell us out.

It is just that the anti communist forces within Cyprus are so bigoted against AKEL, they find it unbearable that Cyprus has an AKEL President. It is this type of mentality that plagues Cypriots in general when dealing with the Cyprob.
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Postby yialousa1971 » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:41 am

Byron wrote:Christofias is a joke , he is planning to sell us to the Turks, nobody in cyprus has confidence in him.


Hes a horrible little commie, soon to be a traitor. I think hes more interested in getting his picture taken with Gordon Brown or the other traitors/devils in Europe. Still hes got his picture hanging up in Vrisaki now so I guess he must be ok. :roll:
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:43 am

yialousa1971 wrote:
Byron wrote:Christofias is a joke , he is planning to sell us to the Turks, nobody in cyprus has confidence in him.


Hes a horrible little commie, soon to be a traitor. I think hes more interested in getting his picture taken with Gordon Brown or the other traitors/devils in Europe. Still hes got his picture hanging up in Vrisaki now so I guess he must be ok. :roll:


This is the mentality that is a danger to Cyprus.... :roll:

And I would have thought Kifeas was above all this. How disappointing! :?
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Postby -mikkie2- » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:54 am

Its very easy to point fingers and blame others for our misfortunes.

At least Christofias has the balls to engage the Turks and the TC's. It is only this way that the true intentions of the other side will show. And I think this is the only way to convince the EU, UK/US/UN as to who is genuinely wanting a solution.
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Postby EPSILON » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:39 am

DT. wrote:
Byron wrote:
Byron wrote:Christofias is a joke , he is planning to sell us to the Turks, nobody in Cyprus has confidence in him.


Christofias may be too far left for a few of us but that doesn't mean he's out to sell anyone. guarantees, virgin births and compensation rather than return are red lines that will not be crossed and have the legal backing to withstand international criticism. Govt power sharing will be our biggest compromise if significant territory adjustments are made.

The President has a knack of repeating his arguments to every EU leader and to any American and Russian that visits the Presidential Palace thereby laying the foundations for a possible blame game to hit the Turkish side. The PR campaign that is being planned on the possible collapse of the talks if the outcome is forecasted to be rejected by a referendum will be unprecedented.

Turkey will be the loser from this round of talks, and every time Eroglu or Esheksiksi (whatever his name is) open their mouth about 2 states and Turkish military presence the losses for Turkey mount up that little bit more.

The people of Cyprus have elected the most progressive, solution seeking President they will ever elect. If Turkey kicks this opportunity away it will regret it. These concessions by the President are done in the knowledge that they won't be reciprocated.


I would fully agreed with you about Christofias honest and proffessional skills as president - Unfortunatetly such way of policies however giving results if the other side is attending the case on some basic rules. Unfoertunatetly (my opinion) Christofias will fail for the simple reason Turks policy on Cyprus is not controlled by any int law or rule but on the rule reasulted from military power- In such circustances other policies should be folowed our end.
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Postby DT. » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:50 am

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DT. wrote:
Byron wrote:
Byron wrote:Christofias is a joke , he is planning to sell us to the Turks, nobody in Cyprus has confidence in him.


Christofias may be too far left for a few of us but that doesn't mean he's out to sell anyone. guarantees, virgin births and compensation rather than return are red lines that will not be crossed and have the legal backing to withstand international criticism. Govt power sharing will be our biggest compromise if significant territory adjustments are made.

The President has a knack of repeating his arguments to every EU leader and to any American and Russian that visits the Presidential Palace thereby laying the foundations for a possible blame game to hit the Turkish side. The PR campaign that is being planned on the possible collapse of the talks if the outcome is forecasted to be rejected by a referendum will be unprecedented.

Turkey will be the loser from this round of talks, and every time Eroglu or Esheksiksi (whatever his name is) open their mouth about 2 states and Turkish military presence the losses for Turkey mount up that little bit more.

The people of Cyprus have elected the most progressive, solution seeking President they will ever elect. If Turkey kicks this opportunity away it will regret it. These concessions by the President are done in the knowledge that they won't be reciprocated.


I would fully agreed with you about Christofias honest and proffessional skills as president - Unfortunatetly such way of policies however giving results if the other side is attending the case on some basic rules. Unfoertunatetly (my opinion) Christofias will fail for the simple reason Turks policy on Cyprus is not controlled by any int law or rule but on the rule reasulted from military power- In such circustances other policies should be folowed our end.


Thats where I think we lack. The plan of what happens next (other than a full PR campaign to demonstrate who is to blame) is just not there. I don't see us thinking outside the box for anything else.

The damage of a torturous path to EU for Turkey and the halting of recognition talk by the international community are the only benefits/advantages we would be getting. Other than that we'll be back to square one with half an island and an unnaceptable status quo.
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Postby EPSILON » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:59 am

DT. wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
DT. wrote:
Byron wrote:
Byron wrote:Christofias is a joke , he is planning to sell us to the Turks, nobody in Cyprus has confidence in him.


Christofias may be too far left for a few of us but that doesn't mean he's out to sell anyone. guarantees, virgin births and compensation rather than return are red lines that will not be crossed and have the legal backing to withstand international criticism. Govt power sharing will be our biggest compromise if significant territory adjustments are made.

The President has a knack of repeating his arguments to every EU leader and to any American and Russian that visits the Presidential Palace thereby laying the foundations for a possible blame game to hit the Turkish side. The PR campaign that is being planned on the possible collapse of the talks if the outcome is forecasted to be rejected by a referendum will be unprecedented.

Turkey will be the loser from this round of talks, and every time Eroglu or Esheksiksi (whatever his name is) open their mouth about 2 states and Turkish military presence the losses for Turkey mount up that little bit more.

The people of Cyprus have elected the most progressive, solution seeking President they will ever elect. If Turkey kicks this opportunity away it will regret it. These concessions by the President are done in the knowledge that they won't be reciprocated.


I would fully agreed with you about Christofias honest and proffessional skills as president - Unfortunatetly such way of policies however giving results if the other side is attending the case on some basic rules. Unfoertunatetly (my opinion) Christofias will fail for the simple reason Turks policy on Cyprus is not controlled by any int law or rule but on the rule reasulted from military power- In such circustances other policies should be folowed our end.


Thats where I think we lack. The plan of what happens next (other than a full PR campaign to demonstrate who is to blame) is just not there. I don't see us thinking outside the box for anything else.

The damage of a torturous path to EU for Turkey and the halting of recognition talk by the international community are the only benefits/advantages we would be getting. Other than that we'll be back to square one with half an island and an unnaceptable status quo.


The target and intention should not be the damage of Turkey but the fair solution of our problem. Because if Turkey face a damage because of CB then you can easily understand where and how it will show its complains.
Cyprus (personal opinion) policy worst decision is to leave the well and long sleepping politicians in Athens to be able to get out of CB so easily. They should be continuesly pressed to stop dealling with pribes and other bshts here in Greece and to start making policy for Cyprus. Netheir Christofias or any other G/c leader can achieve any workable solution when Turkey knows that ,in the worst case, it will need 48hrs to solve the problem by military means.
Its reaction to S300 order proving of what i am saying here.
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:09 pm

Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Byron wrote:
Byron wrote:Christofias is a joke , he is planning to sell us to the Turks, nobody in Cyprus has confidence in him.


Christofias may be too far left for a few of us but that doesn't mean he's out to sell anyone. guarantees, virgin births and compensation rather than return are red lines that will not be crossed and have the legal backing to withstand international criticism. Govt power sharing will be our biggest compromise if significant territory adjustments are made.

The President has a knack of repeating his arguments to every EU leader and to any American and Russian that visits the Presidential Palace thereby laying the foundations for a possible blame game to hit the Turkish side. The PR campaign that is being planned on the possible collapse of the talks if the outcome is forecasted to be rejected by a referendum will be unprecedented.

Turkey will be the loser from this round of talks, and every time Eroglu or Esheksiksi (whatever his name is) open their mouth about 2 states and Turkish military presence the losses for Turkey mount up that little bit more.

The people of Cyprus have elected the most progressive, solution seeking President they will ever elect. If Turkey kicks this opportunity away it will regret it. These concessions by the President are done in the knowledge that they won't be reciprocated.


Agree with you 100%.

If anything, it will confirm to all GCs that it is with Turkey and Turks we are dealing with, meaning that they will never budge one iota. They want a complete unconditional surrender from us, and I don't think Christofias will sell us out.

It is just that the anti communist forces within Cyprus are so bigoted against AKEL, they find it unbearable that Cyprus has an AKEL President. It is this type of mentality that plagues Cypriots in general when dealing with the Cyprob.



Personally, I dont think Christofias is a sell-out. He will negotiate and present his case to the populus who after a referandum - which will say OHI Mk III - will retire saying he tried but the people voted NO. The same goes for the Northern administration. What else did anyone expect. :roll:
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