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[-mikkie2-]

Kiks,
I don't think it was to do with the job market. It was to do with stopping property prices in Malta from spiralling out of control and thus locking out younger generations of Maltese from buying their own property.

Here is a link to property web site which details the derogation:

http://users.onvol.net/161223/property.htm

[Paphitis]

TRNC Presidential spokesperson Hasan Ercakica has strongly criticized the head of the Greek Cypriot working group on EU matters George Vassiliou for his statement that an agreement to be reached between the two sides on the island cannot become a primary law of the European Union.

Mr Ercakica also rejected the claims by Vasiliou that an understanding has been reached between the Turkish Side and the Greek Cypriot Side on the issue.

The spokesperson told the BRT newsroom that relations between the Cyprus state – to be formed under a political settlement- and the European Union were discussed under the topic of “EU Matters” as part of the negotiation process continuing between the two sides since September last year.

He said Vassiliou – as a member of the Greek Cypriot team taking part in the talks on EU Matters`- witnessed the Turkish side’s insistence on making a possible agreement a primary law of the European Union.

The Spokesperson complained that such attempts, which he said were misleading the public opinion - can only hamper the negotiations process.

Stressing the Turkish Side’s insistence on making an agreement a primary law of the EU, he said `an agreement to be approved by the TUrkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriot peoples at referenda will be meaningless, if it is to be broken by other initiatives`.

Asked to comment on Vasiliou’s claims that there will be no need for the continuation of Turkey’s guarantees as Cyprus is a member of the European Union, Ercakica said “the Greek Cypriot side’s EU membership, which was gained unjustly and unilaterally, can not have a determining force in shaping the talks on the Cyprus question”.

Underlining the need to eliminate the TRNC people’s security concerns in order to bring a solution to the Cyprus problem, he said `the Turkish side has made its decision. We are in favor of maintaining the current system of guarantorship in Cyprus. As the EU will adapt itself to our agreement, this means that it will also respect our decision on the issue of guarantorship”.

Commenting on George Vassiliou’s claims that Turkey used the Treaty of Guarantees to occupy the island, Ercakica said `Turkey used its rights stemming from the treaty ‘only’ to protect the lives and property of the Turkish Cypriots`.

Calling on the Greek Cypriot Side not to distort the truth, he said a solution can be reached in Cyprus if the Greek Cypriots learn lessons from the past.

“GC SIDE IS TRYING TO CREATE AN ARTIFICIAL AGENDA AT CYPRUS TALKS”

Foreign Minister of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Huseyin Ozgurgun has accused the Greek Cypriot Administration of trying to create an artificial agenda within the Cyprus negotiations process.

“The Greek Cypriot side hampers the process which needs to be maintained under trust. As long as the Greek Cypriot side continues owning such a stance, our hope to reach an agreement diminishies” he said.

In a written statement, Mr Ozgurgun said the Greek Cypriot side is manipulating the Greek Cypriot public opinion by making false statements regarding the fundamental principles covered within the comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus problem.

In response to the former Greek Cypriot Leader and the head of the Greek Cypriot working group on EU matters George Vassiliou, who earlier said that the Turkish side agreed with the Greek Cypriot side that the resolution agreement of the Cyprus problem will not become a primary law within the European Union, Ozgurgun said “it is the view of the Greek Cypriot side not to make the comprehensive resolution plan a primary law of the EU. The fact that the Turkish side has strongly rejected this view is very well known by all parties concerned, particularly the Greek Cypriot negotiating team”.

“We want the agreement to be EU’s primary law, in order to make sure that it will not be deactivated by any international court and third parties. We want to ensure the permanence of the political agreement” he said.

He explained that the EU is supposed to harmonize the Cyprus political agreement with its Acquis Communautaire and it has already vowed to do so.

Touching upon Vassiliou’s statement that the issue of guarantorship is a matter of the EU and the partnership state to be formed with a settlement will not be in need of the current system of guarantorship, Mr Ozgurgun reminded that the rights of guarantorship in Cyprus were introduced by international treaties and these rights cannot be removed unless all parties concerned reach a consensus on changing the treaties.

“The Greek Cypriot side cannot make a decision on the issue of guarantorship on its own. It can neither forward the issue onto the EU agenda. This is not an issue that the Greek Cypriot side can ask for EU’s help” he stressed.

Foreign Minister Ozgurgun emphasized that the Cyprus Turks will no way say ‘yes’ to an agreement which does not protect Turkey’s guarantorship rights stemming from international treaties.

Maybe Miltiades needs to take a close look at the official Turkish and "trnc" policy.

These are not peace negotiations as far as the Turks are concerned. They are surrender and capitulation talks.

Miltiades, behold the progress of this "political war"!

[Get Real!]

Miltiades, behold the progress of this "political war"!

Recorded message:

Miltiades, cannot answer your call right now as he is busy jerking off an Orangutan for a vote. He apologizes for the inconvenience and will get back to you as soon as possible!

[Paphitis]

Miltiades, behold the progress of this "political war"!

Recorded message:

Miltiades, cannot answer your call right now as he is busy jerking off an Orangutan for a vote. He apologizes for the inconvenience and will get back to you as soon as possible!

Miltiades, any comment about this "political war" or surrender will be greatly appreciated.

I believe you are now finished garnishing votes from Orangutans...

[miltiades]

Miltiades, behold the progress of this "political war"!

Recorded message:

Miltiades, cannot answer your call right now as he is busy jerking off an Orangutan for a vote. He apologizes for the inconvenience and will get back to you as soon as possible!

Miltiades, any comment about this "political war" or surrender will be greatly appreciated.

I believe you are now finished garnishing votes from Orangutans...

The polical "war" is the only option that will bring about the desired results , a united and a democratic Cyprus without any foreign troops on its soil.
Your absolute nonsense supported by absolure extremism , assholes that are the direct descendants of the the perpertrators that were entirely responsible for inviding Turkey to invade.
The extremists on this forum , the brainless individuals whose motto is I ELLADA POTE DEN PETHENI ... are the idiots that are one of the reasons that Turkey retains the excuse that her troops are needed to protect the T/Cs from these extremists.
Just so as to deflate your ego , 6 plonkers think that the psychopathic tendencies of GR are constructive to the process of finding a solution !!
This first class clown who has amongst his heroes the likes of Bin Laden and believes that war is the only option , and so do you , hates the West immensely and would happily use suicide bombers to assist in removing Turkish troops !!
As for you mate , what can I say , Byron , Epsilon , Simon , Floda, Oracle , all of you are the epitome of what constitutes wisdom and constructiveness in finding a solution.
What an assembly of utterly nonconstructive individuals.
To think that a person such as you who proudly displayed that obscene signature of a good Turk is a dead Turk , who supports the motion as outlined by you that the RoC OUGHT TO SHOOT DOWN CIVILIAN UNAUTHORISED AIRCRAFR FLYING OVER CYPRUS , has nevertheless the support of some 13 wankers !!!
Boy you are in for it I promise you.
Let us debate your plans , and those of GR , of finding a solution.
Are you up to it , let us go.

[Get Real!]

Miltiades, behold the progress of this "political war"!

Recorded message:

Miltiades, cannot answer your call right now as he is busy jerking off an Orangutan for a vote. He apologizes for the inconvenience and will get back to you as soon as possible!

Miltiades, any comment about this "political war" or surrender will be greatly appreciated.

I believe you are now finished garnishing votes from Orangutans...

Today he has an extra vote… must've done a good job last night!

[paliometoxo]

Are you talking about this "trnc"?

RESOLUTION 541 (1983)

Adopted by the Security Council
on 18 November 1983



The Security Council,

Having heard the statement of the Foreign Minister of the Government of the Republic of Cyprus,

Concerned at the declaration by the Turkish Cypriot authorities issued on 15 November 1983 which purports to create an independent state in northern Cyprus,

Considering that this declaration is incompatible with the 1960 Treaty concerning the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus and the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee,

Considering therefore that the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus", is invalid, and will contribute to a worsening of the situation in Cyprus,

Reaffirming its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975),

Aware of the need for a solution of the Cyprus problem, based on the mission of good offices undertaken by the Secretary-General,

Affirming its continuing support for the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus,

Taking note of the Secretary-General's statement of 17 November 1983,

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration referred to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

3. Calls for the urgent and effective implementation of its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975);

4. Requests the Secretary-General to pursue his mission of good offices in order to achieve the earliest possible progress towards a just and lasting settlement in Cyprus;

5. Calls upon the parties to cooperate fully with the Secretary-General in his mission of good offices;

6. Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;

7. Calls upon all States not to recognise any Cypriot state other than the Republic of Cyprus;

8. Calls upon all States and the two communities in Cyprus to refrain from any action which might exacerbate the situation;

9. Requests the Secretary-General to keep the Security Council fully informed.

Adopted at the 2500th meeting by 13 votes to 1 against (Pakistan) with 1 abstention (Jordan).

good ts about time someone puts the stupid bastard turks in their place... they sitting insiting on two states and eu tells them to shut up and they are not getting that..

i wanna see turkeys reaction to that.. ignore it and turn to un me thinks...

[Paphitis]

Miltiades, behold the progress of this "political war"!

Recorded message:

Miltiades, cannot answer your call right now as he is busy jerking off an Orangutan for a vote. He apologizes for the inconvenience and will get back to you as soon as possible!

Miltiades, any comment about this "political war" or surrender will be greatly appreciated.

I believe you are now finished garnishing votes from Orangutans...

The polical "war" is the only option that will bring about the desired results , a united and a democratic Cyprus without any foreign troops on its soil.
Your absolute nonsense supported by absolure extremism , assholes that are the direct descendants of the the perpertrators that were entirely responsible for inviding Turkey to invade.
The extremists on this forum , the brainless individuals whose motto is I ELLADA POTE DEN PETHENI ... are the idiots that are one of the reasons that Turkey retains the excuse that her troops are needed to protect the T/Cs from these extremists.
Just so as to deflate your ego , 6 plonkers think that the psychopathic tendencies of GR are constructive to the process of finding a solution !!
This first class clown who has amongst his heroes the likes of Bin Laden and believes that war is the only option , and so do you , hates the West immensely and would happily use suicide bombers to assist in removing Turkish troops !!
As for you mate , what can I say , Byron , Epsilon , Simon , Floda, Oracle , all of you are the epitome of what constitutes wisdom and constructiveness in finding a solution.
What an assembly of utterly nonconstructive individuals.
To think that a person such as you who proudly displayed that obscene signature of a good Turk is a dead Turk , who supports the motion as outlined by you that the RoC OUGHT TO SHOOT DOWN CIVILIAN UNAUTHORISED AIRCRAFR FLYING OVER CYPRUS , has nevertheless the support of some 13 wankers !!!
Boy you are in for it I promise you.
Let us debate your plans , and those of GR , of finding a solution.
Are you up to it , let us go.

All non constructive bollocks that will lead to a dad end.

You are dealing with Turks not TCs.

If you want a debate go ahead, but for a debate to take place you need to develop a firm belief structure and I don't think you have such a thing.

Political War leading to surrender and capitulation is no solution for us real Cypriots.

So once again you have avoided my question.

Where is this so called "Political War" leading us?

[Kikapu]

Kiks,
I don't think it was to do with the job market. It was to do with stopping property prices in Malta from spiralling out of control and thus locking out younger generations of Maltese from buying their own property.

Here is a link to property web site which details the derogation:

http://users.onvol.net/161223/property.htm

Thanks for the link mikki2. If you read few other sites on property buying in Malta by EU citizens, you find that there are few loopholes.!!

Below is what I was talking about, regarding derogations on jobs in Malta for the EU citizens.!

Compared to other countries that are candidates, Malta received dissimilar treatment because seven years transitional period was imposed by the EU during which their rights could be restricted. The same applied to European Union citizens seeking to get jobs in Malta. For seven years since membership, Malta gained the ability to safeguard against EU nationals' right to work there. After accession, it retained the system of work permits and henceforth granted them to European Union workers. In case Malta's labor market is threatened with disruption, it can withhold work permits because this is a matter of exceptional nature and urgency.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Is-Malta-Part ... id=1725275

In any case, this is all a mute point for Cyprus, because we are talking about derogations on restricting Cypriots freedom of movement in their own country and not restricting EU citizens as the case is with Malta. There is no way a EU will allow such derogation placed on Cypriots in their own country to take place, except perhaps for a transitional period. The best policy is to return most of the GC land back to the GCs to become part of the south state, and the remaining GCs with property in the north to be allowed easy access. If most of the GC land is given back, the remaining GCs will be in very low numbers in comparison to the TCs (not settlers) in the north state.