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[YFred]

[size=18]Hepsinizin dilini eşşek arısı soksun [/size]

I thing you will find a gufi will have the desired effect.

[denizaksulu]

[size=18]Hepsinizin dilini eşşek arısı soksun [/size]

I thing you will find a gufi will have the desired effect.

Re Lurucadi, Gufi nedir be?

[YFred]

[size=18]Hepsinizin dilini eşşek arısı soksun [/size]

I thing you will find a gufi will have the desired effect.

Re Lurucadi, Gufi nedir be?

Thgavole, saĝır yılan.
Hisssssssssss to oracle.

[denizaksulu]

[size=18]Hepsinizin dilini eşşek arısı soksun [/size]

I thing you will find a gufi will have the desired effect.

Re Lurucadi, Gufi nedir be?

Thgavole, saĝır yılan.
Hisssssssssss to oracle.

Sahi be. Unudduydum.

[The Cypriot]

[size=18]Hepsinizin dilini eşşek arısı soksun [/size]

I thing you will find a gufi will have the desired effect.

Re Lurucadi, Gufi nedir be?

Thgavole, saĝır yılan.
Hisssssssssss to oracle.

Sahi be. Unudduydum.

Thrugnish Hulaj Yehetmig Gormorific.

[YFred]

[size=18]Hepsinizin dilini eşşek arısı soksun [/size]

I thing you will find a gufi will have the desired effect.

Re Lurucadi, Gufi nedir be?

Thgavole, saĝır yılan.
Hisssssssssss to oracle.

Sahi be. Unudduydum.

Thrugnish Hulaj Yehetmig Gormorific.

That's not gibrislica. Please translate.

[YFred]

[size=18]Hepsinizin dilini eşşek arısı soksun [/size]

I thing you will find a gufi will have the desired effect.

Re Lurucadi, Gufi nedir be?

Thgavole, saĝır yılan.
Hisssssssssss to oracle.

Sahi be. Unudduydum.

The phrase is "Gufi na sas fai". they will understand that.

[AWE]

Oh please stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north. They are in the minority to the settlers for God sake, and just because they are in control of the Micky Mouse Parliament, hardly makes them in control. The fact that many TCs use the RoC's and EU's positions for their own needs without any loyalty to even consider themselves to be Cypriots, is an embarrassment and an insult to their own integrity, or lack there of it.!

Then it is all over bar the shouting – may as well remove the RoC benefits from TCs that live in the North and see what happens. Given your above statement would mean that the population of the North do not want a solution.

Since 2004, the only "solution" the north has been interested in, is where it is non Democratic, violation of others Human Rights, violation of International Laws, non EU Principles, Partition option to be left open, 2 people, 2 nationalities, 2 of what ever else you can think of, and 29%+ of the land under strict TC (Turkey) rule. Now AWE, you tell me, does the above recipe sounds like a workable settlement to you or did I get this recipe wrong, in which case, please feel free to correct the above. So you tell me, AWE, does the north want to unify or not, and if so, under what conditions and terms if they are different from the above I gave you.?

By the way, AWE. I have to assume that you are a TC/Turk (I’m a Cyprus born TC), in which case, you really should stop quoting others by using their out dated 200+ years ago quotes which may have been relevant at that time but not today under True Democracy in the West, as you have done with your signature. The US did not have a True Democracy in those days and what they did have, was no better than what Saudi Arabia has today, which is crap, which is no different than so called Democracies in many parts of the world. In fact it was worse, since slave ownership was legal at that time in the US. As you may have noticed, we have a black president in the US, and that only came about because of True Democracy which gives each American citizen Equal Rights under the constitution.

I really do not want to embarrass you any further with this, but only an idiot would use such outdated quotes in today's world, because 51% majority does not take away the rights (Democratic or Constitutional) from the other 49%. In Thomas Jefferson's time, at best, 10% privileged whites took away all the "Democratic and Constitutional" ( these people were not protected by the constitution) right of others as well as their Human Rights when it came to the blacks and most other immigrants, such as the Chinese and the Irish. I took Erolz to task on the same subject, except he was quoting Benjamin Franklin. Same crap, different names. It makes you look silly in trying to score political points by mocking Democracy, just because True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws does not serve your purpose.. So, Can I assume in that case that you do not vote at all.?

Sorry just saw this.

I am not a TC or Turk but have dual UK/US nationality, that said my family have had property near Bellapais since ’68, both my parents are buried in Cyprus, my youngest sister was born in Nicosia and I remember being evacuated on HMS Hermes in ’74.

As to what the TCs want by way of a solution I guess it depends on who one talks with and how you form the questions. My TCs friends and I don’t often talk politics so in truth I can’t say and suggest we look at the latest surveys by the UN and EU etc to see public opinion in the North and the South for that matter. Whatever the solution is it is going to be some form of BBF, that would mean the absolutist positions by both side will have to be compromised and as the 2 states idea is absolutist it is not going to happen and is I suspect a negotiating position.

As to my signature this is more about the idea that Democracy requires checks and balances so as to stop abuses of majority power, examples are the US Senate, Supra-National laws on minority rights, independent judiciary etc – majority abuse of minorities happens even in sophisticated democracies i.e the “Jim Crow” laws in the US south in the ’60s, the Protestant dominated Stormont government in Northern Ireland in the ’60s & ‘70s, Slovakia and its recent banning of the use of Hungarian language or the Turkish minority in Greece and recent ECHR judgments against Greece.

[Piratis]

Would you say that things like Human Rights (such as the right to move and live freely in your own country, or the right to be treated as an equal citizens without racist discrimination), democracy and the EU acquis are "absolutist positions"?

What is the "absolutist position" of the Greek Cypriot site? We don't ask for the ethnic cleansing of TCs from Cyprus, we don't ask for human rights violation against them, we don't even ask for them to be punished for the many crimes they committed and continue to commit against us.

[Piratis]

As to my signature this is more about the idea that Democracy requires checks and balances so as to stop abuses of majority power, examples are the US Senate, Supra-National laws on minority rights, independent judiciary etc – majority abuse of minorities happens even in sophisticated democracies i.e the “Jim Crow” laws in the US south in the ’60s, the Protestant dominated Stormont government in Northern Ireland in the ’60s & ‘70s, Slovakia and its recent banning of the use of Hungarian language or the Turkish minority in Greece and recent ECHR judgments against Greece.

You forgot to mention Turkey. Why?

What do you have to say about the way our Greek minority has been treated in Turkey? Do you think the Greek minority in Turkey deserves the same as Turkish minority in Cyprus does? Or you maybe support double standards in which case all you say above are merely lame excuses?