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Re: Helping TCs is the same as helping the Turkish Troops ..

Postby Byron » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:39 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Byron wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Kikapu wrote:[...]
stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north.
[...]


I agree, and feel that this point demolishes the very premise upon which this whole thread is based.


On the contrary, it confirms the point that we are subsiding those who now 'belong' to Turkey, by virtue of who controls their destiny.

... Why should the RoC give them welfare/pastoral care whilst they are "controlled"/administered by Turkey? It's tantamount to (indirectly) subsidising the troops for Turkey!



If you pushed (not that I would ever think you would) your unruly son (not that I am implying anything) and he falls on the way-side. Dont you offer your hand and pull him back up and offer him sweeties? Dont you say, "look momma is here she will take good care of you"?


So you are saying that TCs have finally gone back to their (biological :roll: ) "momma", Turkey ... well they should move back into her house then!



We are bred from the soil of Cyprus. Cyprus is our mother. Dont twist my words madam. :lol:


So you are GREEK ! :lol:



Cypriot, A Turkish speaking Cypriot.


So you're like Byron. (Except he speaks nonsense):lol:


Keep your personal thoughts to yourself ,
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Re: Helping TCs is the same as helping the Turkish Troops ..

Postby miltiades » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:52 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Kikapu wrote:[...]
stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north.
[...]


I agree, and feel that this point demolishes the very premise upon which this whole thread is based.


On the contrary, it confirms the point that we are subsiding those who now 'belong' to Turkey, by virtue of who controls their destiny.

... Why should the RoC give them welfare/pastoral care whilst they are "controlled"/administered by Turkey? It's tantamount to (indirectly) subsidising the troops for Turkey!



If you pushed (not that I would ever think you would) your unruly son (not that I am implying anything) and he falls on the way-side. Dont you offer your hand and pull him back up and offer him sweeties? Dont you say, "look momma is here she will take good care of you"?


So you are saying that TCs have finally gone back to their (biological :roll: ) "momma", Turkey ... well they should move back into her house then!



We are bred from the soil of Cyprus. Cyprus is our mother. Dont twist my words madam. :lol:

Cypriots irrespective of whether they are G/Cs , T/Cs or Armenian Cypriots are part of the overall majority of the citizens on the island of Cyprus.
If Deniz , Kikapu , Bir, Iceman , Umit , Cem Vuryek and thousands more who consider Cyprus as their motherland are considered a minority then the Cypriot nation has a very serious chip on its shoulders.
I have heard it from so many T/Cs that they consider Cyprus as their true homeland , why on earth should they be considered by anyone as a minority ! They are predominantly Cypriots just as I , the Cypriot , dare I mention GR , AND SO MANY OTHER GENUINE CYPRIOTS.
LONG LIVE THE N A T I O N OF CYPRUS .
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Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:39 am

We are bred from the soil of Cyprus. Cyprus is our mother. Dont twist my words madam.


...thank-you deniz, i will call you dr.
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Re: Helping TCs is the same as helping the Turkish Troops ..

Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:52 am

Byron wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Byron wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Kikapu wrote:[...]
stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north.
[...]


I agree, and feel that this point demolishes the very premise upon which this whole thread is based.


On the contrary, it confirms the point that we are subsiding those who now 'belong' to Turkey, by virtue of who controls their destiny.

... Why should the RoC give them welfare/pastoral care whilst they are "controlled"/administered by Turkey? It's tantamount to (indirectly) subsidising the troops for Turkey!



If you pushed (not that I would ever think you would) your unruly son (not that I am implying anything) and he falls on the way-side. Dont you offer your hand and pull him back up and offer him sweeties? Dont you say, "look momma is here she will take good care of you"?


So you are saying that TCs have finally gone back to their (biological :roll: ) "momma", Turkey ... well they should move back into her house then!



We are bred from the soil of Cyprus. Cyprus is our mother. Dont twist my words madam. :lol:


So you are GREEK ! :lol:



Cypriot, A Turkish speaking Cypriot.


So you're like Byron. (Except he speaks nonsense):lol:


Keep your personal thoughts to yourself ,


It is people's thoughts I am interested in..such a shame you don't provide any that are of interest to me.... :(
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Re: Helping TCs is the same as helping the Turkish Troops ..

Postby Byron » Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:34 am

Paphitis wrote:
Byron wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Byron wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Kikapu wrote:[...]
stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north.
[...]


I agree, and feel that this point demolishes the very premise upon which this whole thread is based.


On the contrary, it confirms the point that we are subsiding those who now 'belong' to Turkey, by virtue of who controls their destiny.

... Why should the RoC give them welfare/pastoral care whilst they are "controlled"/administered by Turkey? It's tantamount to (indirectly) subsidising the troops for Turkey!



If you pushed (not that I would ever think you would) your unruly son (not that I am implying anything) and he falls on the way-side. Dont you offer your hand and pull him back up and offer him sweeties? Dont you say, "look momma is here she will take good care of you"?


So you are saying that TCs have finally gone back to their (biological :roll: ) "momma", Turkey ... well they should move back into her house then!



We are bred from the soil of Cyprus. Cyprus is our mother. Dont twist my words madam. :lol:


So you are GREEK ! :lol:



Cypriot, A Turkish speaking Cypriot.


So you're like Byron. (Except he speaks nonsense):lol:


Keep your personal thoughts to yourself ,


It is people's thoughts I am interested in..such a shame you don't provide any that are of interest to me.... :(


Neither do your thoughts enlighten me, "palla al centro"
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Re: Helping TCs is the same as helping the Turkish Troops ..

Postby Kikapu » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:54 pm

Kikapu wrote:Oh please stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north. They are in the minority to the settlers for God sake, and just because they are in control of the Micky Mouse Parliament, hardly makes them in control. The fact that many TCs use the RoC's and EU's positions for their own needs without any loyalty to even consider themselves to be Cypriots, is an embarrassment and an insult to their own integrity, or lack there of it.!


AWE wrote:Then it is all over bar the shouting – may as well remove the RoC benefits from TCs that live in the North and see what happens. Given your above statement would mean that the population of the North do not want a solution.


Since 2004, the only "solution" the north has been interested in, is where it is non Democratic, violation of others Human Rights, violation of International Laws, non EU Principles, Partition option to be left open, 2 people, 2 nationalities, 2 of what ever else you can think of, and 29%+ of the land under strict TC (Turkey) rule. Now AWE, you tell me, does the above recipe sounds like a workable settlement to you or did I get this recipe wrong, in which case, please feel free to correct the above. So you tell me, AWE, does the north want to unify or not, and if so, under what conditions and terms if they are different from the above I gave you.?

By the way, AWE. I have to assume that you are a TC/Turk (I’m a Cyprus born TC), in which case, you really should stop quoting others by using their out dated 200+ years ago quotes which may have been relevant at that time but not today under True Democracy in the West, as you have done with your signature. The US did not have a True Democracy in those days and what they did have, was no better than what Saudi Arabia has today, which is crap, which is no different than so called Democracies in many parts of the world. In fact it was worse, since slave ownership was legal at that time in the US. As you may have noticed, we have a black president in the US, and that only came about because of True Democracy which gives each American citizen Equal Rights under the constitution.

I really do not want to embarrass you any further with this, but only an idiot would use such outdated quotes in today's world, because 51% majority does not take away the rights (Democratic or Constitutional) from the other 49%. In Thomas Jefferson's time, at best, 10% privileged whites took away all the "Democratic and Constitutional" ( these people were not protected by the constitution) right of others as well as their Human Rights when it came to the blacks and most other immigrants, such as the Chinese and the Irish. I took Erolz to task on the same subject, except he was quoting Benjamin Franklin. Same crap, different names. It makes you look silly in trying to score political points by mocking Democracy, just because True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws does not serve your purpose.. So, Can I assume in that case that you do not vote at all.?
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Re: Helping TCs is the same as helping the Turkish Troops ..

Postby EPSILON » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:42 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Oh please stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north. They are in the minority to the settlers for God sake, and just because they are in control of the Micky Mouse Parliament, hardly makes them in control. The fact that many TCs use the RoC's and EU's positions for their own needs without any loyalty to even consider themselves to be Cypriots, is an embarrassment and an insult to their own integrity, or lack there of it.!


AWE wrote:Then it is all over bar the shouting – may as well remove the RoC benefits from TCs that live in the North and see what happens. Given your above statement would mean that the population of the North do not want a solution.


Since 2004, the only "solution" the north has been interested in, is where it is non Democratic, violation of others Human Rights, violation of International Laws, non EU Principles, Partition option to be left open, 2 people, 2 nationalities, 2 of what ever else you can think of, and 29%+ of the land under strict TC (Turkey) rule. Now AWE, you tell me, does the above recipe sounds like a workable settlement to you or did I get this recipe wrong, in which case, please feel free to correct the above. So you tell me, AWE, does the north want to unify or not, and if so, under what conditions and terms if they are different from the above I gave you.?

By the way, AWE. I have to assume that you are a TC/Turk (I’m a Cyprus born TC), in which case, you really should stop quoting others by using their out dated 200+ years ago quotes which may have been relevant at that time but not today under True Democracy in the West, as you have done with your signature. The US did not have a True Democracy in those days and what they did have, was no better than what Saudi Arabia has today, which is crap, which is no different than so called Democracies in many parts of the world. In fact it was worse, since slave ownership was legal at that time in the US. As you may have noticed, we have a black president in the US, and that only came about because of True Democracy which gives each American citizen Equal Rights under the constitution.

I really do not want to embarrass you any further with this, but only an idiot would use such outdated quotes in today's world, because 51% majority does not take away the rights (Democratic or Constitutional) from the other 49%. In Thomas Jefferson's time, at best, 10% privileged whites took away all the "Democratic and Constitutional" ( these people were not protected by the constitution) right of others as well as their Human Rights when it came to the blacks and most other immigrants, such as the Chinese and the Irish. I took Erolz to task on the same subject, except he was quoting Benjamin Franklin. Same crap, different names. It makes you look silly in trying to score political points by mocking Democracy, just because True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws does not serve your purpose.. So, Can I assume in that case that you do not vote at all.?


Kikapu, I am following your post long time now.You use to post long texts , very well written , i can say some time very sophistigated.

I feel that you can not understand (some genious have this problem) the basic thing about Cyprus problem.

Turks won a war.!!!They still have the military power.Greece is sleeping (politicians) , trying to get as much pribes as they can.Cyprus (ROC) is a small -very small coin for int community and particularly for Turkey.

You , and many others, MUST underatsand that the problem is simple as such.

THE ONLY DEFENCE G/CS CAN HAVE IS TO REMAIN GREEKS (INRELEVANT TO GREEK REPUBLIC) AND TO INSIT ON THIS WAITING..
Unfortunatetly all others are theories - A country like Germany surrended because of allies military power and you, othes, telling us here that ROC can negotiate with Turks a "fair" solution?"

G/cs must urgently change targets and policies

EPSILON SPOKE!!!!
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Re: Helping TCs is the same as helping the Turkish Troops ..

Postby Get Real! » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:46 pm

EPSILON wrote:EPSILON SPOKE!!!!

...and basically said:

"Surrender! …because Turkey is too strong for you!"
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Re: Helping TCs is the same as helping the Turkish Troops ..

Postby EPSILON » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:49 pm

Get Real! wrote:
EPSILON wrote:EPSILON SPOKE!!!!

...and basically said:

"Surrender! …because Turkey is too strong for you!"


Our policy is guiding there- change policy!!! became "VICTIM" not appologiziong party - "stupid politicians.,"
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Re: Helping TCs is the same as helping the Turkish Troops ..

Postby miltiades » Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:02 pm

EPSILON wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Oh please stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north. They are in the minority to the settlers for God sake, and just because they are in control of the Micky Mouse Parliament, hardly makes them in control. The fact that many TCs use the RoC's and EU's positions for their own needs without any loyalty to even consider themselves to be Cypriots, is an embarrassment and an insult to their own integrity, or lack there of it.!


AWE wrote:Then it is all over bar the shouting – may as well remove the RoC benefits from TCs that live in the North and see what happens. Given your above statement would mean that the population of the North do not want a solution.


Since 2004, the only "solution" the north has been interested in, is where it is non Democratic, violation of others Human Rights, violation of International Laws, non EU Principles, Partition option to be left open, 2 people, 2 nationalities, 2 of what ever else you can think of, and 29%+ of the land under strict TC (Turkey) rule. Now AWE, you tell me, does the above recipe sounds like a workable settlement to you or did I get this recipe wrong, in which case, please feel free to correct the above. So you tell me, AWE, does the north want to unify or not, and if so, under what conditions and terms if they are different from the above I gave you.?

By the way, AWE. I have to assume that you are a TC/Turk (I’m a Cyprus born TC), in which case, you really should stop quoting others by using their out dated 200+ years ago quotes which may have been relevant at that time but not today under True Democracy in the West, as you have done with your signature. The US did not have a True Democracy in those days and what they did have, was no better than what Saudi Arabia has today, which is crap, which is no different than so called Democracies in many parts of the world. In fact it was worse, since slave ownership was legal at that time in the US. As you may have noticed, we have a black president in the US, and that only came about because of True Democracy which gives each American citizen Equal Rights under the constitution.

I really do not want to embarrass you any further with this, but only an idiot would use such outdated quotes in today's world, because 51% majority does not take away the rights (Democratic or Constitutional) from the other 49%. In Thomas Jefferson's time, at best, 10% privileged whites took away all the "Democratic and Constitutional" ( these people were not protected by the constitution) right of others as well as their Human Rights when it came to the blacks and most other immigrants, such as the Chinese and the Irish. I took Erolz to task on the same subject, except he was quoting Benjamin Franklin. Same crap, different names. It makes you look silly in trying to score political points by mocking Democracy, just because True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws does not serve your purpose.. So, Can I assume in that case that you do not vote at all.?


Kikapu, I am following your post long time now.You use to post long texts , very well written , i can say some time very sophistigated.

I feel that you can not understand (some genious have this problem) the basic thing about Cyprus problem.

Turks won a war.!!!They still have the military power.Greece is sleeping (politicians) , trying to get as much pribes as they can.Cyprus (ROC) is a small -very small coin for int community and particularly for Turkey.

You , and many others, MUST underatsand that the problem is simple as such.

THE ONLY DEFENCE G/CS CAN HAVE IS TO REMAIN GREEKS (INRELEVANT TO GREEK REPUBLIC) AND TO INSIT ON THIS WAITING..
Unfortunatetly all others are theories - A country like Germany surrended because of allies military power and you, othes, telling us here that ROC can negotiate with Turks a "fair" solution?"

G/cs must urgently change targets and policies

EPSILON SPOKE!!!!

Indeed he did , Rubbish as always !!
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