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[denizaksulu]

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stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north.
[...]

I agree, and feel that this point demolishes the very premise upon which this whole thread is based.

On the contrary, it confirms the point that we are subsiding those who now 'belong' to Turkey, by virtue of who controls their destiny.

... Why should the RoC give them welfare/pastoral care whilst they are "controlled"/administered by Turkey? It's tantamount to (indirectly) subsidising the troops for Turkey!

If you pushed (not that I would ever think you would) your unruly son (not that I am implying anything) and he falls on the way-side. Dont you offer your hand and pull him back up and offer him sweeties? Dont you say, "look momma is here she will take good care of you"?

[Get Real!]

Not blind deaf or dumb - so they have moved towards Turkey - lack of trade, direct flights and similar economic impediments from '63 onwards may be a major fact in this don't you think?

You got the order in reverse. The TCs collaborated with Turkey (and Britain) from the 1950s, and they have been used by these 2 imperialists as a way to deny to the Cypriot people their freedom and self-determination. The TCs in return were promised gains on the expense of the majority of the population, as a reward for the help (and excuse) they gave to Turkey and Britain.

So what came first was the collaboration of TCs with Turkey. What came after was the result of this collaboration.

Of course the TCs expected that the result would be a one way screwing of the majority of Cypriots by the Imperialists and their minority, and they expected that it would be all great for themselves. They got it wrong.

And be sure we will use our EU membership to the fullest, so that not only TCs but also Turkey will have a much bigger problem that they could ever imagine that small Cyprus could cause to them.

We are not going to bent to be screwed by anybody. We will fight for our freedom and self-determination in our own island and sooner or later we will get what we deserve. The TC minority should be satisfied to also get what they deserve, which is what every other ethnic minority gets in every other democratic country, because if they continue to collaborate with foreigners trying to get more than that on our expense then in the end they will be biggest losers of all and they will only have themselves and their greed to blame.

It’s a good post Piratis, but I would add that up until 1974 some of the GC citizens were also stupidly collaborating with Greece at the expense of Cyprus’ sovereignty unfortunately…

Cypriot citizens of both ethnicities actively participating in the Greco-Turkish “tag of war” of Cyprus gradually brought our demise.

Astonishingly, even to this day Turkey and Greece still manage to exert enormous influence on many of our short-sighted citizens, ensuring the prolongation of this mess.

If Cypriot citizens have no respect for their own country and independence why should foreigners care?

[Oracle]

[...]
stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north.
[...]

I agree, and feel that this point demolishes the very premise upon which this whole thread is based.

On the contrary, it confirms the point that we are subsiding those who now 'belong' to Turkey, by virtue of who controls their destiny.

... Why should the RoC give them welfare/pastoral care whilst they are "controlled"/administered by Turkey? It's tantamount to (indirectly) subsidising the troops for Turkey!

If you pushed (not that I would ever think you would) your unruly son (not that I am implying anything) and he falls on the way-side. Dont you offer your hand and pull him back up and offer him sweeties? Dont you say, "look momma is here she will take good care of you"?

So you are saying that TCs have finally gone back to their (biological ) "momma", Turkey ... well they should move back into her house then!

[insan]

And be sure we will use our EU membership to the fullest, so that not only TCs but also Turkey will have a much bigger problem that they could ever imagine that small Cyprus could cause to them.

Sure sure... now u collaborate with imperialist EU. They(I mean Chrsitian democrats of EU) intentionally accepted u as a collaborator; actually pawns... and u(I mean especially Greek and GC right wingers) consciously accepted to become their pawns in this big plot of the century.

Well, everyone is free to get in colloboration with any political group for their common political, economical and national interests. However, it strongly seems to me that, in the end; the one badly harmed will be GC community one more time.

[Byron]

According to the Fourth Geneva Convention (Article 59), drawn for the protection of civilians during a time of war, any form of relief aid should be to the benefit of the civilian population and not for "the benefit of the Occupying Power. "

Well, it may be argued that all the material help the TCs receive, for example jobs, health, welfare benefits, from the RoC or even from EU grants, is helping the occupying Turkish troops by inadvertently releasing more of the money from Turkey, which would have gone to help the TCs, instead being used for her occupying army.

So, I think there is a strong case for ceasing help to the TCs, and hence reducing the help to the Turkish occupying army .... which continues the occupation of our country ...

I agree that we should stop allowing Turkish cypriots to draw social security from Greek Cypriot taxpayers, hospital treatment etc until all illegal forces and settlers leave the occupied areas of Cyprus.

[denizaksulu]

[...]
stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north.
[...]

I agree, and feel that this point demolishes the very premise upon which this whole thread is based.

On the contrary, it confirms the point that we are subsiding those who now 'belong' to Turkey, by virtue of who controls their destiny.

... Why should the RoC give them welfare/pastoral care whilst they are "controlled"/administered by Turkey? It's tantamount to (indirectly) subsidising the troops for Turkey!

If you pushed (not that I would ever think you would) your unruly son (not that I am implying anything) and he falls on the way-side. Dont you offer your hand and pull him back up and offer him sweeties? Dont you say, "look momma is here she will take good care of you"?

So you are saying that TCs have finally gone back to their (biological ) "momma", Turkey ... well they should move back into her house then!

We are bred from the soil of Cyprus. Cyprus is our mother. Dont twist my words madam.

[Byron]

[...]
stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north.
[...]

I agree, and feel that this point demolishes the very premise upon which this whole thread is based.

On the contrary, it confirms the point that we are subsiding those who now 'belong' to Turkey, by virtue of who controls their destiny.

... Why should the RoC give them welfare/pastoral care whilst they are "controlled"/administered by Turkey? It's tantamount to (indirectly) subsidising the troops for Turkey!

If you pushed (not that I would ever think you would) your unruly son (not that I am implying anything) and he falls on the way-side. Dont you offer your hand and pull him back up and offer him sweeties? Dont you say, "look momma is here she will take good care of you"?

So you are saying that TCs have finally gone back to their (biological ) "momma", Turkey ... well they should move back into her house then!

We are bred from the soil of Cyprus. Cyprus is our mother. Dont twist my words madam.

So you are GREEK !

[denizaksulu]

[...]
stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north.
[...]

I agree, and feel that this point demolishes the very premise upon which this whole thread is based.

On the contrary, it confirms the point that we are subsiding those who now 'belong' to Turkey, by virtue of who controls their destiny.

... Why should the RoC give them welfare/pastoral care whilst they are "controlled"/administered by Turkey? It's tantamount to (indirectly) subsidising the troops for Turkey!

If you pushed (not that I would ever think you would) your unruly son (not that I am implying anything) and he falls on the way-side. Dont you offer your hand and pull him back up and offer him sweeties? Dont you say, "look momma is here she will take good care of you"?

So you are saying that TCs have finally gone back to their (biological ) "momma", Turkey ... well they should move back into her house then!

We are bred from the soil of Cyprus. Cyprus is our mother. Dont twist my words madam.

So you are GREEK !

Cypriot, A Turkish speaking Cypriot.

[The Cypriot]

[...]
stop pretending that the TCs have any say so in being in control of their own destiny in the north.
[...]

I agree, and feel that this point demolishes the very premise upon which this whole thread is based.

On the contrary, it confirms the point that we are subsiding those who now 'belong' to Turkey, by virtue of who controls their destiny.

... Why should the RoC give them welfare/pastoral care whilst they are "controlled"/administered by Turkey? It's tantamount to (indirectly) subsidising the troops for Turkey!

If you pushed (not that I would ever think you would) your unruly son (not that I am implying anything) and he falls on the way-side. Dont you offer your hand and pull him back up and offer him sweeties? Dont you say, "look momma is here she will take good care of you"?

So you are saying that TCs have finally gone back to their (biological ) "momma", Turkey ... well they should move back into her house then!

We are bred from the soil of Cyprus. Cyprus is our mother. Dont twist my words madam.

So you are GREEK !

Cypriot, A Turkish speaking Cypriot.

So you're like Byron. (Except he speaks nonsense):lol:

[Piratis]

And be sure we will use our EU membership to the fullest, so that not only TCs but also Turkey will have a much bigger problem that they could ever imagine that small Cyprus could cause to them.

Sure sure... now u collaborate with imperialist EU. They(I mean Chrsitian democrats of EU) intentionally accepted u as a collaborator; actually pawns... and u(I mean especially Greek and GC right wingers) consciously accepted to become their pawns in this big plot of the century.

Well, everyone is free to get in colloboration with any political group for their common political, economical and national interests. However, it strongly seems to me that, in the end; the one badly harmed will be GC community one more time.

Everybody is free to collaborate in order to get justice and what they deserve. This is what we do.

On the other hand you collaborated (and still do) with foreigners so you could get a lot of Ottoman Style gains and land on our expense, while the Imperialists get bases and control over parts of our island. Neither you nor the foreign Imperialists deserve what you got from Cyprus with force and blackmail.

To be more specific:

The Cypriot people deserve their freedom from foreign Imperialists, and the right to determine the destiny of their own island in a democratic way.

The members of the TC minority deserve to be equal citizens and any other rights that every other minority gets in every other democratic country.

The foreign Imperialists deserve nothing from Cyprus. No land, no bases, no troops. (unless they come to a mutually beneficial agreement with the Cyprus government which will not be the result of blackmail)

This is what each of the involved parties deserve in Cyprus, and we will continue our struggle until justice is served.