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[EPSILON]

According to the Fourth Geneva Convention (Article 59), drawn for the protection of civilians during a time of war, any form of relief aid should be to the benefit of the civilian population and not for "the benefit of the Occupying Power. "

Well, it may be argued that all the material help the TCs receive, for example jobs, health, welfare benefits, from the RoC or even from EU grants, is helping the occupying Turkish troops by inadvertently releasing more of the money from Turkey, which would have gone to help the TCs, instead being used for her occupying army.

So, I think there is a strong case for ceasing help to the TCs, and hence reducing the help to the Turkish occupying army .... which continues the occupation of our country ...

Fantastic trust building at it's best. Hands up all those for permanent partition?

Partition payable by the victims is worst.

[DT.]

Well, it may be argued that all the material help the TCs receive, for example jobs, health, welfare benefits, from the RoC or even from EU grants, is helping the occupying Turkish troops by inadvertently releasing more of the money from Turkey, which would have gone to help the TCs, instead being used for her occupying army.

From the bottom of my heart, I would like to take this opportunity to express my approval, gratitude and thanks giving to the Greek Republic Of Southern Cyprus for their ongoing support of the TRNC and the Turkish Peace Operation Army

Thankyou Garacira (pronounced gahra jihra) for giving TC's the Right and permission to live or even exist.

Oh please, get over yourself Garacira. Do TC's a favor and please do put a stop to any venom being injected into TC's from the south.

Kalos tjai thn Miss Flaouna.

e fesaes tha eftousin na sas shebasoun

Enna mahede giragogona

What the hell are you on about? WHo taught you Kypriaka? Halil?

[halil]

Well, it may be argued that all the material help the TCs receive, for example jobs, health, welfare benefits, from the RoC or even from EU grants, is helping the occupying Turkish troops by inadvertently releasing more of the money from Turkey, which would have gone to help the TCs, instead being used for her occupying army.

From the bottom of my heart, I would like to take this opportunity to express my approval, gratitude and thanks giving to the Greek Republic Of Southern Cyprus for their ongoing support of the TRNC and the Turkish Peace Operation Army

Thankyou Garacira (pronounced gahra jihra) for giving TC's the Right and permission to live or even exist.

Oh please, get over yourself Garacira. Do TC's a favor and please do put a stop to any venom being injected into TC's from the south.

Kalos tjai thn Miss Flaouna.

e fesaes tha eftousin na sas shebasoun

Enna mahede giragogona

What the hell are you on about? WHo taught you Kypriaka? Halil?

Not me mate ..... as u know i don't understand Kypriaka ..... Only i speak Turkicha ...... Properly YFred might be teacher of Gabira !!!!!!!!!!

as u know i was living one of the Turkish Cypriots enclave Republics before 1974 ..... called republic of Bogaz Sancagi..... it was 20 kilometers away from capital Nicosia and 1o kilometers away from Kyrenia..... In our republic .... only Turkish was speaking and teaching also little bit English .....

[DT.]

Well, it may be argued that all the material help the TCs receive, for example jobs, health, welfare benefits, from the RoC or even from EU grants, is helping the occupying Turkish troops by inadvertently releasing more of the money from Turkey, which would have gone to help the TCs, instead being used for her occupying army.

From the bottom of my heart, I would like to take this opportunity to express my approval, gratitude and thanks giving to the Greek Republic Of Southern Cyprus for their ongoing support of the TRNC and the Turkish Peace Operation Army

Thankyou Garacira (pronounced gahra jihra) for giving TC's the Right and permission to live or even exist.

Oh please, get over yourself Garacira. Do TC's a favor and please do put a stop to any venom being injected into TC's from the south.

Kalos tjai thn Miss Flaouna.

e fesaes tha eftousin na sas shebasoun

Enna mahede giragogona

What the hell are you on about? WHo taught you Kypriaka? Halil?

Not me mate ..... as u know i don't understand Kypriaka ..... Only i speak Turkicha ...... Properly YFred might be teacher of Gabira !!!!!!!!!!

as u know i was living one of the Turkish Cypriots enclave Republics before 1974 ..... called republic of Bogaz Sancagi..... it was 20 kilometers away from capital Nicosia and 1o kilometers away from Kyrenia..... In our republic .... only Turkish was speaking and teaching also little bit English .....

Re halil, my son has a similar republic in our backyard with smurfs.

[AWE]

According to the Fourth Geneva Convention (Article 59), drawn for the protection of civilians during a time of war, any form of relief aid should be to the benefit of the civilian population and not for "the benefit of the Occupying Power. "

Well, it may be argued that all the material help the TCs receive, for example jobs, health, welfare benefits, from the RoC or even from EU grants, is helping the occupying Turkish troops by inadvertently releasing more of the money from Turkey, which would have gone to help the TCs, instead being used for her occupying army.

So, I think there is a strong case for ceasing help to the TCs, and hence reducing the help to the Turkish occupying army .... which continues the occupation of our country ...

Fantastic trust building at it's best. Hands up all those for permanent partition?

What "trust" building is there by TCs? -- That they keep 43,000 Turkish troops in our country to keep the GCs away from their homes?

What should we GCs "trust" about this situation? To "trust" it would mean we are happy with it and we want it to remain!

We are not happy with the present situation ... The troops must leave; if we stopped aiding the TCs, Turkey would have to find more money to maintain them and then realise the FULL cost of this operation.

At present, we are just subsidising the occupation by feeding more freebies to the TCs!

Ok then, remove their RoC Passport, ID cards, Veto Green Line trade and EU convergence funding to the North etc etc etc and see how quickly they move towards Turkey or sue the RoC within the EU. Then there is the issue of perpetuating the Cyp. Prob. and see how the EU gets round this with regard Turkeys EU entry - after all a market of 70 million and growing, soon to be major energy hub, NATO member etc is much more important then 800k Cypriots.

[DT.]

According to the Fourth Geneva Convention (Article 59), drawn for the protection of civilians during a time of war, any form of relief aid should be to the benefit of the civilian population and not for "the benefit of the Occupying Power. "

Well, it may be argued that all the material help the TCs receive, for example jobs, health, welfare benefits, from the RoC or even from EU grants, is helping the occupying Turkish troops by inadvertently releasing more of the money from Turkey, which would have gone to help the TCs, instead being used for her occupying army.

So, I think there is a strong case for ceasing help to the TCs, and hence reducing the help to the Turkish occupying army .... which continues the occupation of our country ...

Fantastic trust building at it's best. Hands up all those for permanent partition?

What "trust" building is there by TCs? -- That they keep 43,000 Turkish troops in our country to keep the GCs away from their homes?

What should we GCs "trust" about this situation? To "trust" it would mean we are happy with it and we want it to remain!

We are not happy with the present situation ... The troops must leave; if we stopped aiding the TCs, Turkey would have to find more money to maintain them and then realise the FULL cost of this operation.

At present, we are just subsidising the occupation by feeding more freebies to the TCs!

Ok then, remove their RoC Passport, ID cards, Veto Green Line trade and EU convergence funding to the North etc etc etc and see how quickly they move towards Turkey or sue the RoC within the EU. Then there is the issue of perpetuating the Cyp. Prob. and see how the EU gets round this with regard Turkeys EU entry - after all a market of 70 million and growing, soon to be major energy hub, NATO member etc is much more important then 800k Cypriots.

So why is Turkey having so much difficulty entering the EU?

[Oracle]

According to the Fourth Geneva Convention (Article 59), drawn for the protection of civilians during a time of war, any form of relief aid should be to the benefit of the civilian population and not for "the benefit of the Occupying Power. "

Well, it may be argued that all the material help the TCs receive, for example jobs, health, welfare benefits, from the RoC or even from EU grants, is helping the occupying Turkish troops by inadvertently releasing more of the money from Turkey, which would have gone to help the TCs, instead being used for her occupying army.

So, I think there is a strong case for ceasing help to the TCs, and hence reducing the help to the Turkish occupying army .... which continues the occupation of our country ...

Fantastic trust building at it's best. Hands up all those for permanent partition?

What "trust" building is there by TCs? -- That they keep 43,000 Turkish troops in our country to keep the GCs away from their homes?

What should we GCs "trust" about this situation? To "trust" it would mean we are happy with it and we want it to remain!

We are not happy with the present situation ... The troops must leave; if we stopped aiding the TCs, Turkey would have to find more money to maintain them and then realise the FULL cost of this operation.

At present, we are just subsidising the occupation by feeding more freebies to the TCs!

Ok then, remove their RoC Passport, ID cards, Veto Green Line trade and EU convergence funding to the North etc etc etc and see how quickly they move towards Turkey or sue the RoC within the EU. Then there is the issue of perpetuating the Cyp. Prob. and see how the EU gets round this with regard Turkeys EU entry - after all a market of 70 million and growing, soon to be major energy hub, NATO member etc is much more important then 800k Cypriots.

They have already moved towards Turkey, are you blind deaf and dumb?

And, where is it written that the RoC has to administer the TCs' welfare, whilst they reside in the illegally occupied territories?

[Sotos]

According to the Fourth Geneva Convention (Article 59), drawn for the protection of civilians during a time of war, any form of relief aid should be to the benefit of the civilian population and not for "the benefit of the Occupying Power. "

Well, it may be argued that all the material help the TCs receive, for example jobs, health, welfare benefits, from the RoC or even from EU grants, is helping the occupying Turkish troops by inadvertently releasing more of the money from Turkey, which would have gone to help the TCs, instead being used for her occupying army.

So, I think there is a strong case for ceasing help to the TCs, and hence reducing the help to the Turkish occupying army .... which continues the occupation of our country ...

Fantastic trust building at it's best. Hands up all those for permanent partition?

What "trust" building is there by TCs? -- That they keep 43,000 Turkish troops in our country to keep the GCs away from their homes?

What should we GCs "trust" about this situation? To "trust" it would mean we are happy with it and we want it to remain!

We are not happy with the present situation ... The troops must leave; if we stopped aiding the TCs, Turkey would have to find more money to maintain them and then realise the FULL cost of this operation.

At present, we are just subsidising the occupation by feeding more freebies to the TCs!

Ok then, remove their RoC Passport, ID cards, Veto Green Line trade and EU convergence funding to the North etc etc etc and see how quickly they move towards Turkey or sue the RoC within the EU. Then there is the issue of perpetuating the Cyp. Prob. and see how the EU gets round this with regard Turkeys EU entry - after all a market of 70 million and growing, soon to be major energy hub, NATO member etc is much more important then 800k Cypriots.

So why is Turkey having so much difficulty entering the EU?

Because the majority of the population of Turkey are barbarian Turks who are not European. What else? With so many benefits for the EU accession of Turkey there is no other reason why the Europeans don't want them.

[Sotos]

According to the Fourth Geneva Convention (Article 59), drawn for the protection of civilians during a time of war, any form of relief aid should be to the benefit of the civilian population and not for "the benefit of the Occupying Power. "

Well, it may be argued that all the material help the TCs receive, for example jobs, health, welfare benefits, from the RoC or even from EU grants, is helping the occupying Turkish troops by inadvertently releasing more of the money from Turkey, which would have gone to help the TCs, instead being used for her occupying army.

So, I think there is a strong case for ceasing help to the TCs, and hence reducing the help to the Turkish occupying army .... which continues the occupation of our country ...

Fantastic trust building at it's best. Hands up all those for permanent partition?

What "trust" building is there by TCs? -- That they keep 43,000 Turkish troops in our country to keep the GCs away from their homes?

What should we GCs "trust" about this situation? To "trust" it would mean we are happy with it and we want it to remain!

We are not happy with the present situation ... The troops must leave; if we stopped aiding the TCs, Turkey would have to find more money to maintain them and then realise the FULL cost of this operation.

At present, we are just subsidising the occupation by feeding more freebies to the TCs!

Ok then, remove their RoC Passport, ID cards, Veto Green Line trade and EU convergence funding to the North etc etc etc and see how quickly they move towards Turkey or sue the RoC within the EU. Then there is the issue of perpetuating the Cyp. Prob. and see how the EU gets round this with regard Turkeys EU entry - after all a market of 70 million and growing, soon to be major energy hub, NATO member etc is much more important then 800k Cypriots.

They have already moved towards Turkey, are you blind deaf and dumb?

And, where is it written that the RoC has to administer the TCs' welfare, whilst they reside in the illegally occupied territories?

This is one more reason why this whole "building trust" thing is bullshit. Even if we do things that cost us a lot of money to build trust they don't even appreciate them. Let alone reciprocating them! If there is one thing that RoC has to do for people who violate all laws and don't pay their taxes is to put them to jail!

[miltiades]

According to the Fourth Geneva Convention (Article 59), drawn for the protection of civilians during a time of war, any form of relief aid should be to the benefit of the civilian population and not for "the benefit of the Occupying Power. "

Well, it may be argued that all the material help the TCs receive, for example jobs, health, welfare benefits, from the RoC or even from EU grants, is helping the occupying Turkish troops by inadvertently releasing more of the money from Turkey, which would have gone to help the TCs, instead being used for her occupying army.

So, I think there is a strong case for ceasing help to the TCs, and hence reducing the help to the Turkish occupying army .... which continues the occupation of our country ...

Fantastic trust building at it's best. Hands up all those for permanent partition?

What "trust" building is there by TCs? -- That they keep 43,000 Turkish troops in our country to keep the GCs away from their homes?

What should we GCs "trust" about this situation? To "trust" it would mean we are happy with it and we want it to remain!

We are not happy with the present situation ... The troops must leave; if we stopped aiding the TCs, Turkey would have to find more money to maintain them and then realise the FULL cost of this operation.

At present, we are just subsidising the occupation by feeding more freebies to the TCs!

Ok then, remove their RoC Passport, ID cards, Veto Green Line trade and EU convergence funding to the North etc etc etc and see how quickly they move towards Turkey or sue the RoC within the EU. Then there is the issue of perpetuating the Cyp. Prob. and see how the EU gets round this with regard Turkeys EU entry - after all a market of 70 million and growing, soon to be major energy hub, NATO member etc is much more important then 800k Cypriots.

They have already moved towards Turkey, are you blind deaf and dumb?

And, where is it written that the RoC has to administer the TCs' welfare, whilst they reside in the illegally occupied territories?

This is one more reason why this whole "building trust" thing is bullshit. Even if we do things that cost us a lot of money to build trust they don't even appreciate them. Let alone reciprocating them! If there is one thing that RoC has to do for people who violate all laws and don't pay their taxes is to put them to jail!

How do you propose the RoC deals with the situation Sotos ?
We have to be realistic here and continue with our efforts to build trust for a secure future for all Cypriots.
No one has yet to post how best to deal with Turkey in a pragmatic way . It is of no use to shout slogans and demand that Turkey removes her troops, she simply will not succumb to slogans . Negotiations and political challenges within the EU is the only way .