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Key points of EU-Turkey talks
29/06/2005, an article from EUbusiness

Herewith key points of the EU's plans for membership talks with Turkey later this year, as set out in proposals by EU enlargement commissioner Olli Rehn on Wednesday.
BACKGROUND
- EU leaders agreed last December to start entry talks with Turkey in October, provided it implements six key pieces of legislation and signs an accord extending a customs agreement to the EU's 10 newcomer states including Cyprus
- The legislation was brought into force last month, while Rehn -- who will lead the negotiations on behalf the 25-nation EU -- said he expects Turkey to sign the accord "over the summer."
PLANS FOR TALKS
- The talks, due to start on October 3, will be chopped up into 35 "chapters" ranging from food safety to foreign policy and from free movement of workers to education and culture.
- The ultimate aim is EU membership, but that may not be possible: "These negotiations are an open-ended process, the outcome of which cannot be guaranteed beforehand."
- The talks are expected to last at least a decade, but everything depends on Ankara. "The negotiations will be based on Turkeys own merits and their pace will depend on Turkeys progress" in meeting the EU's political criteria.
- If they fail, "it must be ensured that Turkey is fully anchored in the European structures through the strongest possible bond." Rehn conceded that the idea of a "privileged partnership" is likely to be discussed.
- Turkey must help resolve the three-decade division of Cyprus. "Support for efforts to achieve a comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus problem (and) fulfilment of the obligations under the customs union will be required."
- Emergency brake: "In case of a serious and persistent breach by Turkey of the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms ... accession negotiations may be suspended."
- Actions speak louder than words: the EU enlargement chief called the talks plans "the most rigorous so far presented by the commission," adding: "We focus less on commitments, and more on the track record."
http://www.eubusiness.com/East_Europe/0 ... 0.83mam2pe

The message regarding Cyprus is clear. So,what shall we expect from TR?

[Viewpoint]

wait and see wont be as clear cut and easy as you may think :)

cant wait for the sparks to fly as little "RoC" take on massive Turkey and tries to break off as many concessions as possible for maximalist demands or will the GC adminstration have the balls to veto and take the consequences....

[Kifeas]

wait and see wont be as clear cut and easy as you may think :)

cant wait for the sparks to fly as little "RoC" take on massive Turkey and tries to break off as many concessions as possible for maximalist demands or will the GC adminstration have the balls to veto and take the consequences....

This is what I call typical Kemalist ideological attitude. The attitude of the bully who threatens his neighbours by using its size and military power! "The sparks will fly when little "RoC" takes on massive Turkey." I am the big and strong thus I must have my way and the lion's share and you must obey because you are the little and weak.

Viewpoint! We are not afraid! We will do what we have to do at any given time and we are not scared by the size and "power" of Turkey. Perhaps we were in 1974 and some several years after. Not any more! And not because of the EU! We are in perfect shape and stage in which to face very effectively any new Turkish adventurism against the south. Be it in the air, in the sea, or on the ground. Mama Türka knows that very well! In fact, I will be very surprised if Mama Türka would dare such a thing, knowing how important role their "prestige" plays for them. She would rather prefer to commit suicide than risk its prestige - especially the military one.

[detailer]

wait and see wont be as clear cut and easy as you may think :)

cant wait for the sparks to fly as little "RoC" take on massive Turkey and tries to break off as many concessions as possible for maximalist demands or will the GC adminstration have the balls to veto and take the consequences....

This is what I call typical Kemalist ideological attitude. The attitude of the bully who threatens his neighbours by using its size and military power! "The sparks will fly when little "RoC" takes on massive Turkey." I am the big and strong thus I must have my way and the lion's share and you must obey because you are the little and weak.

Viewpoint! We are not afraid! We will do what we have to do at any given time and we are not scared by the size and "power" of Turkey. Perhaps we were in 1974 and some several years after. Not any more! And not because of the EU! We are in perfect shape and stage in which to face very effectively any new Turkish adventurism against the south. Be it in the air, in the sea, or on the ground. Mama Türka knows that very well! In fact, I will be very surprised if Mama Türka would dare such a thing, knowing how important role their "prestige" plays for them. She would rather prefer to commit suicide than risk its prestige - especially the military one.

Another Kifeas provacation guys...

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas you have read me all wrong again I had you down as more intelligent chap than that, when I refer to might i meant in size population land mass in comparison to southern Cyprus like an elephant against a mouse, ill let you work out which is which im sure you can.
When I refer to sparks flying I meant Turkeys reaction in the way of Turkeys reactin towards "RoC" should there be pressure from Papa to obtain concessions. We all know Turkey is very unpredictable and I am excited at the propspect of Turkey having to come into EU line, will she yield or will she play a more arrogant role, what will she do if the mouse uses its veto, all exciting prospects, I think the mouse maybe used as an escpae goat by larger EU members, so there are many factors which will make Turkeys EU course very difficult. I think it serves "RoC" interest for Turkey to stay on track rather than have her up and leave the marathon at the first hurdle, we are all aware Papa Tassos is waiting to use the EU leverage and see how far it will take him.
Just a note I hate war and guns and never want any Cypriots to be hurt through any force or war ever again, Im being very sincere here and hope you understand.

[demetriou_74]

wait and see wont be as clear cut and easy as you may think :)

cant wait for the sparks to fly as little "RoC" take on massive Turkey and tries to break off as many concessions as possible for maximalist demands or will the GC adminstration have the balls to veto and take the consequences....

This is what I call typical Kemalist ideological attitude. The attitude of the bully who threatens his neighbours by using its size and military power! "The sparks will fly when little "RoC" takes on massive Turkey." I am the big and strong thus I must have my way and the lion's share and you must obey because you are the little and weak.

Viewpoint! We are not afraid! We will do what we have to do at any given time and we are not scared by the size and "power" of Turkey. Perhaps we were in 1974 and some several years after. Not any more! And not because of the EU! We are in perfect shape and stage in which to face very effectively any new Turkish adventurism against the south. Be it in the air, in the sea, or on the ground. Mama Türka knows that very well! In fact, I will be very surprised if Mama Türka would dare such a thing, knowing how important role their "prestige" plays for them. She would rather prefer to commit suicide than risk its prestige - especially the military one.

Another Kifeas provacation guys...

abit adventourous but i am fully aware that many people would put their lives on the line to fight for cyprus. if turkey ever attacked cyprus NATO and America would have a gun so far down turkeys throat they would stop. NATO would stop it for the right reasons but America could not risk cyprus being under Turkish control becasue if turkey joins the other Anti-American states around the east it would be fatal for their future plans to attack countries for oil. will never happen Kifeas

[Turkey (( *]

Do you really think Turkey(Turkish public) is afraid of USA?? Look, USA is close to its end as a superpower, it is losing its economical and military power! The anti-American feeling in Turkey is already quite a lot, that is why America is asking Erdogan to turn this other way round. I also believe that Turkey would only attack if there is a total need for it. Otherwise the public would stop the government anyways.

[Kifeas]

Do you really think Turkey(Turkish public) is afraid of USA?? Look, USA is close to its end as a superpower, it is losing its economical and military power! The anti-American feeling in Turkey is already quite a lot, that is why America is asking Erdogan to turn this other way round. I also believe that Turkey would only attack if there is a total need for it. Otherwise the public would stop the government anyways.

Which public? The Turkish public? "Ζήτω που καίαμε!"

[Turkey (( *]

Kifeas you wanna translate that bit into English please. Just that there will be no misunderstandings!

[Kifeas]

Kifeas you wanna translate that bit into English please. Just that there will be no misunderstandings!

Do not worry; it is just an idiomatic expression in Greek! It more or less means "hurray! We are burned out!"