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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby cannedmoose » Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:24 pm

MicAtCyp wrote:It really astonishes me seeing people who know nothing about military saying for sure it will be a cakewalk. Do you know how many are the chances for 100 Turkish bombers to throw their bombs and get away safe? I bet you don't. By the way I repeat I talk about a case in which they attack us-thus we just defend. In case again you think that Turkey will be able to launch ALL her military here then you are again mistaken.


MicAtCyp, your arrogance and superciliousness never cease to amaze me. You make assumptions that you are the global authority on every issue and therefore noone can possibly know as much as you about anything. Having been to a number of warzones, including two active ones and also having military doctrine and strategy as one of the strings to my academic bow, I'd hazard to say that I am not a military ignoramous, so for you to label me as 'knowing nothing' just goes to show how wrong you are.

I also notice that you completely ignored the point I made about Cyprus adopting an entirely new military strategy based on movement of active and capable forces, rather than the static, conscript model she has today.

Do you really seek to claim that 140 35mm and 20mm anti-aircraft guns and an equally small number of Mistral, SA-15 and SA-7B anti-aircraft missiles can defend the hundreds of APCs, MBTs and other large pieces of military equipment on the ground? That is a fatuous claim and you know it. The first target in any modern war is the enemies ability to track and shoot down your aircraft, hence these missiles would be the first casualty of any such conflict. In the case of shoulder-launched weapons, the success of these against aircraft flying higher than 8,000 feet is limited.

In the case of Cyprus defending en masse against an attack, the military imbalance would be even greater. You seem to assume that the tanks would be massed to prevent an advance... an unlikely scenario and an even more suicidal one. They would be sitting ducks for ground attack aircraft. Having spoken to several friends and relatives who are eligible for call-up in the event of war, they've openly admitted to me that they'd probably be dead within hours of being on the front line, defeatist maybe, but these are normal, proud, patriotic Cypriots speaking the truth. Let me therefore make an assumption about you, since you seem so happy doing it to others on a regular basis - perhaps you hold a position of some power in Cyprus or are too old to fight yourself... as the old maxim goes, older men declare war, but it is the youth who must fight and die.

Cyprus' only hope in defence would be for small groups of units to withdraw to Troodos and carry out guerilla operations and tie down large numbers of Turkish troops in the same way as several hundred EOKA fighters tied down 40,000 British troops for a number of years and the Iraqi insurgents continue to tie down American, British and other troops today. Beyond this, Cyprus has nothing in the way of military forces that Turkey has any need to fear. The reason why the Turkish reaction was so sharp during the S300 episode was that they would have tipped the military balance slightly back towards the RoC, although by no means greatly.

So MicAtCyp, learn to accept that others may know better than you and be willing to concede in those cases. I noticed you bandying around earlier how admin has asked you to be a moderator, again using this fact to try and bully your fellow forum members into accepting you as a larger figure than you actually are.

Sorry to other members for this post sounding so sharp, but MicAtCyp's attitude has wound me up this time and in the spirit of honesty and openness that this forum encourages, he should know that. It may or may not have been his intention, I hope it was the latter, otherwise he's no better than an intelligent variant of NickTheGreek and his ilk. It's about time he learned that he can't get away with pointed sarcasm and not be confronted about it.
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Postby Murtaza » Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:43 pm

MicAtCyp

Independance war my friend, why do you think we should war every year?

We made two war, and we gain both of them.

And dont tell me at independence war, we are 100% sure of our success.
We beginned that war with nothing. Not even a good army.

And we dont know, what would be happen. What will happen If russia attack us?

or britain, france?

Just you greeks always entered a loosing war, dont accuse us.

Against greek we are 100% sure we can win the war.
It happened always this way, and It would be happen always this way.
This is not belittling you. But This is what will be happen.
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Postby Murtaza » Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:49 pm

Cyprus' only hope in defence would be for small groups of units to withdraw to Troodos and carry out guerilla operations and tie down large numbers of Turkish troops in the same way as several hundred EOKA fighters tied down 40,000 British troops for a number of years and the Iraqi insurgents continue to tie down American, British and other troops today. Beyond this, Cyprus has nothing in the way of military forces that Turkey has any need to fear. The reason why the Turkish reaction was so sharp during the S300 episode was that they would have tipped the military balance slightly back towards the RoC, although by no means greatly.


This type also wont work.We have one of the best anti-guerilla tims. Because of PKK.
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Postby cannedmoose » Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:52 pm

Murtaza wrote:This type also wont work.We have one of the best anti-guerilla tims. Because of PKK.


I'd dispute this Murtaza. The British also have a great history of anti-guerilla warfare (Malaya, Aden etc.) and the tactics pursued in Cyprus followed this tradition. Yet it took 40,000 British troops to maintain some semblance of control in Troodos.

Plus, Turkish control over the south-east has been tenuous at times, hardly a great record of success.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:53 pm

gabaston wrote:one F-16 would probably do the job


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Gabaston,
Sorry to disappoint you but ....
This is what your F-16's will get in their way!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby cannedmoose » Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:59 pm

Sorry to disappoint you Kifeas, the TOR-M1 has a range of 12km... whereas this:
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... which is in Turkey's inventory has a range of 25km.
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Postby gabaston » Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:00 pm

kifeas
never mind

moosey said it all

anyway unless you personally manage to start one, there will be no war.

hey why dont you run for president then you can start one.
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Postby cannedmoose » Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:02 pm

Somehow I sense that this is going to evolve into a 'my missile is bigger than your missile' argument... :roll:
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Postby gabaston » Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:05 pm

:lol: :lol:
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Postby Murtaza » Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:16 pm

cannedmoose wrote:
Murtaza wrote:This type also wont work.We have one of the best anti-guerilla tims. Because of PKK.


I'd dispute this Murtaza. The British also have a great history of anti-guerilla warfare (Malaya, Aden etc.) and the tactics pursued in Cyprus followed this tradition. Yet it took 40,000 British troops to maintain some semblance of control in Troodos.

Plus, Turkish control over the south-east has been tenuous at times, hardly a great record of success.


Not much.But It is still under Turkey rule, I think we dont care human life much. Most probably Turkey can accept more human loss than England. :cry:
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