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[gabaston]

one F-16 would probably do the job

[Turkey (( *]

Weren't we talking about the army??

[cannedmoose]

one F-16 would probably do the job

I think Kifeas is either still living in the Middle Ages or has temporarily disengaged his brain. The simple fact alone that Cyprus has no air force and its air defence system would be easily knocked out of action negates his hypothesis that 1 Cypriot soldier is worth 9 Turks.

In 1974 my wife's uncle was killed by a strafing attack from a Turkish warplane - in the same attack, 15 of his unit were also killed. The 1990 Gulf War demonstrated how modern air power can defeat any army that lacks air cover. Although this hypothetical war between Cyprus and Turkey will never take place, you'd see a pretty similar result. It might take a little more than one F-16 as gabaston flippently pointed out, but several squadrons of fighters and ground attack aircraft would be sufficient to do the job.

As for the myth of Greek air cover, Cyprus is almost 800km from the nearest Greek airbase, Greek aircraft would have to fly far south to evade the radar stations on the Turkish mainland and air cover from Turkish bases. As a result, once they reached the island, they would have approximately 10 minutes of combat time before they had to make the return trip. As for the Andreas Papandreou airbase near Paphos, if you don't think that would be the first target in any air assault, you've got no appreciation of military tactics.

It's simple, Cyprus wastes millions of pounds on maintaining a civilian standing army, an army that would be rolled up rather quickly in any campaign - civilian soldiers against professional troops is rarely a fair fight. Before you cite the case of Israel, as much as I loath the Israeli state, its investment in its armed forces is immense, they are trained and experienced civilian soldiers - Israel also possesses the ability to dominate the battlefield from the air. So, rather than training thousands of pubescent 18-year olds how to strip down a rifle, shoot at targets and order Pizza from houses on the buffer zone every year, the RoC would be better off training an elite, highly mobile force able to carry out hit-and-run attacks to wear down the enemy and disrupt communications and logistics. I think it was Alexandr Suvorov who said 'Win with ability, not numbers'.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

When I joined this Forum I think I must have been a little naive. I was sure that with enough good will from both sides that some kind of reunification could take place.

On one occassion I was foolish enough to post crap as truth and was pounced upon , quite correctly, and it was a posting by Mr kifeas that encouraged me to apologise, unreservedly, to the members of this Forum.

Mr kifeas now dissappoints me with his rhetoric and his self confessed provocation.

It would appear that more and more games are now being played in this Forum. One can no longer take a post at face value.

I am personally at the point whre I will be obliged to agree with Mr magikthrill again, where he suggests that the only possible solution for Cyprus is Partition. He has come to this conclusion from the postings on this Forum.

Frankly, from what I have seen in this thread and others recently, I will probably agree with him next week.

[Turkey (( *]

The only solution is not partition, but it is a step closer to unification. If there was a partition then MAYBE the Cypriots would like a reunification.

[Murtaza]

Uh Kifeas, with this way of thinking, You will lost more than you gain.
War with Turkey

How many Country do you think like from this idea?
Sorry my friend but, Turkey is most powerful country in Middle east.

[Kifeas]

Mr kifeas now dissappoints me with his rhetoric and his self confessed provocation.

Mr. Suetoniuspaulinus,
May I ask which one is the self confessed provocation that you read?

[Kifeas]

Uh Kifeas, with this way of thinking, You will lost more than you gain.
War with Turkey

Mr. Murtaza,
I did not speak about an offensive war with Turkey but about a defensive one. I am only referring to the possibility that Turkey will decide to attack us in order to occupy further more territories.

How many Country do you think like from this idea?.

No understand!

Sorry my friend but, Turkey is most powerful country in Middle east.

Is not the quantity that counts but the quality!
I speak with facts and evidence.

[gabaston]

kifeas

uh uh turkey will not attack you, short of world war 3, but if that happens we're all in big trouble.

[MicAtCyp]

any hypothetical conflict pitting Turkey's army against that of Cyprus would only have one outcome and that would be a cakewalk, no matter how much you wish to deny it.

It really astonishes me seeing people who know nothing about military saying for sure it will be a cakewalk. Do you know how many are the chances for 100 Turkish bombers to throw their bombs and get away safe? I bet you don't. By the way I repeat I talk about a case in which they attack us-thus we just defend. In case again you think that Turkey will be able to launch ALL her military here then you are again mistaken.

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Turkey never had the guts to fight a war in which they would not be 100% sure they would win.

Is this a joke or insult?

Should I rem'nd you who is Turkey ancestories? You should know them better.
Ottomans. Remember them?

No it's a fact. I did not talk about the Roman mpire I did not talk about the Ottoman Empite.I talked about Turkey from Ataturk onwards. Yes you never started a war in which you would not be 100% sure you would win.If yes then tell me which wars you started without this pre-condition.

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Turkish people fought against Russians, Greeks, British, French to gain their independence and form Turkey and you tell me that Turkey never had the guts to fight strong enemies?

What I said is that Turkey never fought a war in which they would not be 100% sure they would win. When the Greeks really attacked they went upto Ankara.Why they finally lost has nothing to do with the braveness of the Turks. The Turks only fought back when there was nobody to resist. What a braveness indeed.

Man, I didn't know that. I'm sure Turks did that knowing how evil Turks and how peaceful Kurds are! Do you really believe in what you said?

Similar braveness to that of Grivas attacking TC villages because some TMTs were in. Applauses clap,clap clap.

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MicAtCyp, you told me that the Iraqis were not afraid of USA. Please stop making me laugh, I lose my sleep when I laugh too much! Iraqis had a weak army, USA may have strongest army but please watch out Turkish army is 5th most strongest in the world

Turkish army is totally dependent on the USA and you tell me you are not afraid of them? If yes wait until they bann you for some years like they did to Iraq and then tell me that again.I am sure you, like the Iraqis will go out in the streets threatening that the Americans soldiers will be slaughtered if they step in.