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Postby Kifeas » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:32 pm

brother wrote:I am picky with the mention of war, full stop.

But your attitude of two wrongs make a right and blurting out this war monger song really crawls down my throat and dies, especially when kids like Demetriou get influenced by it.


Forget Demetriou! He is just playing around and winding up everybody. He knows what he is doing and I am sure he is laughing when people take him seriously.

brother wrote:Either stand by them words and recruit like you have done or never utter them again and influence the kids into thinking war is a good thing.

I do not understand what you mean here!

brother wrote:[b]But whatever you do let it be the real kifeas because i hate fakes


Brother, I opened so many really serious discussions in this forum. Can you tell me in how many of them did you participate and gave thorough, deep input?
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Postby Kifeas » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:38 pm

brother wrote:I do not agree with VP but i respect his right to his own opinions without feeling any violent tendencies towards him like you sourcey.


When a TC says something, even if it clearly sounds like a thread, this is the standard reply you give. "I do not agree but I respect his right to his own opinions," you said!

When a GC says something similar, he is a war monger!
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Postby boulio » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:54 pm

good point kifeas.
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Postby brother » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:55 pm

Forget Demetriou! He is just playing around and winding up everybody. He knows what he is doing and I am sure he is laughing when people take him seriously.


Maybe he is maybe he is not but how many kids out there just tune in to the forum read what you and i write, how many of them are really influenced, have you ever thought about that.
War is a terrible thing never glorfy its horrors.



Brother, I opened so many really serious discussions in this forum. Can you tell me in how many of them did you participate and gave thorough, deep input?



I have nearly 4000 posts and been in this forum at least twice as long as you and in that time i have been in many serious debates with many other forum members but i just have not got that deep into it with you just yet because when you first joined you was in deep debate with 'insan' then 'VP' i think etc. but thats not personal its just timing but you have many of my posts to go back on and read what my thoughts are.
But rest assured i keep up with nearly all postings and have read many of your posts.

I do not understand what you mean here!


I think you know exactly what i meant but you seem to play the 'simple man' when you feel it appropriate for reasons only you know.
Your we will buy lots of tanks etc. influences young minds thinking that war is a good thing and of course you end up recruiting kids into the idea of fight the bad turks because we will win etc. rheatoric.

In short you should not glorify war as that is what summounts to what you said quite a few times now hence only say it if you mean it.


Coming to 'VP' he is firm in what he believes wether we like it or not like 'piratis' is, i might not agree with them but i respect them for being true to what they believe, you though go from one extreme to the other, you say we are cypriots but yet you entice war and give reason that it was retaliation.
1- some of the worst wars in history started due to retaliation of words or actions, and who won, nobody but a lot of innocent men died trying to make a point.

2- two wrongs do not make a right
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Postby brother » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:19 pm

Kifeas wrote

When a TC says something, even if it clearly sounds like a thread, this is the standard reply you give. "I do not agree but I respect his right to his own opinions," you said!

When a GC says something similar, he is a war monger!


You know that is rubbish, i have many times had it out with 'VP' for example over his opinions, check my previous posts, ask other members.
Think before you make false accusations

Also i do not care if you are tc, gc, bc or mc hammer, i will always stand against any one that entices war like you have quite a few times now.
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Postby demetriou_74 » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:30 pm

brother wrote:
Also i do not care if you are tc, gc, bc or mc hammer, i will always stand against any one that entices war


but what if the war is just?
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Postby brother » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:38 pm

demetriou wrote

but what if the war is just?


There is no such thing as a just war, that is the brain washing fed to you by goverments to justify spending your tax payers money on millatary equipment etc. and its only excuse to justify their actions of horror like in 'irak'.
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Postby demetriou_74 » Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:15 pm

a group of people are beating up and killing a nation. is this not justification??
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Postby gabaston » Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:16 pm

demetriou

erm this did happen.
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Postby demetriou_74 » Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:23 pm

i said a nation. not the odd revenge attack between two groups. the greek-turk post 74 fighting was not even close to justification
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