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[Murtaza]

Uh, Good luck, But If there would be an enemity between Turks and greeks, It would be again you, who pay the bill.

I accepted what ottoman did? Yes of course, do you realy need my acceptance for believe, They ruled greeks 500 years?

I am not sure, greeks can rule Turks 500 years, Mostly after 100 year, there would be no Turks.

And I dont think greeks have so much power.

Kifeas you are daydreaming. Just make it, make war over Turkey.
I am realy afraid of that 600 000 GC, who will conquerer Ankara.

Try to close that open account.
Stupitness.

[Viewpoint]

It really astonishes me seeing people who know nothing about military saying for sure it will be a cakewalk. Do you know how many are the chances for 100 Turkish bombers to throw their bombs and get away safe? I bet you don't. By the way I repeat I talk about a case in which they attack us-thus we just defend. In case again you think that Turkey will be able to launch ALL her military here then you are again mistaken.

Sorry to other members for this post sounding so sharp, but MicAtCyp's attitude has wound me up this time and in the spirit of honesty and openness that this forum encourages, he should know that. It may or may not have been his intention, I hope it was the latter, otherwise he's no better than an intelligent variant of NickTheGreek and his ilk. It's about time he learned that he can't get away with pointed sarcasm and not be confronted about it.

Please dont apologise Im happy to see that other forum members can see through MicAtCyp's mightier than thou Im an expert in all areas and you are all ignorant attitude I have not responded to any of his posts because I do not only see him as being an arrogant characterless individual but very dangerous in connection with building inter community relations. He contionously tries and unsucessfully in my opinon to hide his hate and anger for Turkish Cypriots who like in the 1960 he would turn upon given the chance and wipe off the face of the earth.

[Kifeas]

Uh, Good luck, But If there would be an enemity between Turks and greeks, It would be again you, who pay the bill.

There is no bill for us to pay to you. We do not owe you anything. It is you who has the debt and it is you who has to pay the bill on order for our open accounts to close. And you will pay it, soon or late.

I accepted what ottoman did? Yes of course, do you realy need my acceptance for believe, They ruled greeks 500 years?

Very good of you that you accept what you the Ottoman Turks did to us. It is very nice to see that you remember everything. The murders, the kidnapping and raping of our women, the kidnapping and throwing into your harems as prostitutes, the kidnapping of our young boys and the conversion into Janissaries, the stilling of our lands and all the rest of crimes you committed. These are all open accounts, as you know!

And I dont think greeks have so much power.

You will find out what powers means one day, when the time to close the open books will come. Remember, it is not quantity that matters but quality!

Kifeas you are daydreaming. Just make it, make war over Turkey.

Attila Murtaza! Murtaza the Hun! The war will start from you when you will try to implement your plans to attack us thinking that you can occupy all Cyprus. It is at that time that you will pay the bill and settle our open accounts. It is at this time, when you will be defeated badly!

I am realy afraid of that 600 000 GC, who will conquerer Ankara.

Remember, it is not quantity that matters but quality!

Try to close that open account.
Stupitness.

Yes, it was a stupidity from your behalf when you decided to open those accounts. The accounts will be closed together, between you and us.

[gladius]

Uh, Good luck, But If there would be an enemity between Turks and greeks, It would be again you, who pay the bill.

There is no bill for us to pay to you. We do not owe you anything. It is you who has the debt and it is you who has to pay the bill on order for our open accounts to close. And you will pay it, soon or late.

I accepted what ottoman did? Yes of course, do you realy need my acceptance for believe, They ruled greeks 500 years?

Very good of you that you accept what you the Ottoman Turks did to us. It is very nice to see that you remember everything. The murders, the kidnapping and raping of our women, the kidnapping and throwing into your harems as prostitutes, the kidnapping of our young boys and the conversion into Janissaries, the stilling of our lands and all the rest of crimes you committed. These are all open accounts, as you know!

And I dont think greeks have so much power.

You will find out what powers means one day, when the time to close the open books will come. Remember, it is not quantity that matters but quality!

Kifeas you are daydreaming. Just make it, make war over Turkey.

Attila Murtaza! Murtaza the Hun! The war will start from you when you will try to implement your plans to attack us thinking that you can occupy all Cyprus. It is at that time that you will pay the bill and settle our open accounts. It is at this time, when you will be defeated badly!

I am realy afraid of that 600 000 GC, who will conquerer Ankara.

Remember, it is not quantity that matters but quality!

Try to close that open account.
Stupitness.

Yes, it was a stupidity from your behalf when you decided to open those accounts. The accounts will be closed together, between you and us.

GC hero, let us think in a little bit in a longer time horizon.
Let's say one hundred years ago:
Do you remember that in those days Anadolu was full with greeks living there between their Turkish compatriots?
In the twenties of the last centuries this Greeks decided to create troubles to the Turks.
Do you find anymore any Greeks there? I tell you NO! They got some beating on their backside like as you do with silly boys and were kicked out to Greece.
Till to the fifties of the last century there was not less Greek people in Istanbul and surrounding areas.
Are there anymore Greeks except the few heads being around the Patriarch?
I tell you NO, because they too became troublemakers and beating them on the backside the Turks expelled them to Greece.
Now Cyprus: Your Beautidude, the famous troublemaker named Makarios with his honest fighters (shooting preferably in the backside of the victims) decided in 1963 to break the Constitution and to strip the Turks from all their legal power they had guaranteed. Since the Turks did'nt agree with this kind of policiy they got shot, driven out of their homes
and had to survive under poor conditions. Just and because your Greeks were so stupid to start a Civil war between themselves and to attack finally the Turks to eradicate them from Cyprus, the Turkish Army came to the island and brought peace.
What was the result of your troublemaking, shootings and murders? You have lost about 1/3 of your territory.
Do you know what Greek Cypriots shall obeye for all the future?
-They shall accept that they, including their mainlanders, are a very small nation with no chance to do any bad to the Turkish Nation
-They shall give up their daydreams of any revenge to the Turks and make them their friends. Otherwise and in the longrun the day will come that no more Greek Cypriots could be found in Cyprus as it was the case in Anatolia and in Istanbul, formerly known as Konstantinople.

[MicAtCyp]

MicAtCyp, your arrogance and superciliousness never cease to amaze me. You make assumptions that you are the global authority on every issue and therefore noone can possibly know as much as you about anything. Having been to a number of warzones, including two active ones and also having military doctrine and strategy as one of the strings to my academic bow, I'd hazard to say that I am not a military ignoramous, so for you to label me as 'knowing nothing' just goes to show how wrong you are.

I also notice that you completely ignored the point I made about Cyprus adopting an entirely new military strategy based on movement of active and capable forces, rather than the static, conscript model she has today.

Do you really seek to claim that 140 35mm and 20mm anti-aircraft guns and an equally small number of Mistral, SA-15 and SA-7B anti-aircraft missiles can defend the hundreds of APCs, MBTs and other large pieces of military equipment on the ground? That is a fatuous claim and you know it. The first target in any modern war is the enemies ability to track and shoot down your aircraft, hence these missiles would be the first casualty of any such conflict. In the case of shoulder-launched weapons, the success of these against aircraft flying higher than 8,000 feet is limited.

In the case of Cyprus defending en masse against an attack, the military imbalance would be even greater. You seem to assume that the tanks would be massed to prevent an advance... an unlikely scenario and an even more suicidal one. They would be sitting ducks for ground attack aircraft. Having spoken to several friends and relatives who are eligible for call-up in the event of war, they've openly admitted to me that they'd probably be dead within hours of being on the front line, defeatist maybe, but these are normal, proud, patriotic Cypriots speaking the truth. Let me therefore make an assumption about you, since you seem so happy doing it to others on a regular basis - perhaps you hold a position of some power in Cyprus or are too old to fight yourself... as the old maxim goes, older men declare war, but it is the youth who must fight and die.

Cyprus' only hope in defence would be for small groups of units to withdraw to Troodos and carry out guerilla operations and tie down large numbers of Turkish troops in the same way as several hundred EOKA fighters tied down 40,000 British troops for a number of years and the Iraqi insurgents continue to tie down American, British and other troops today. Beyond this, Cyprus has nothing in the way of military forces that Turkey has any need to fear. The reason why the Turkish reaction was so sharp during the S300 episode was that they would have tipped the military balance slightly back towards the RoC, although by no means greatly.

So MicAtCyp, learn to accept that others may know better than you and be willing to concede in those cases. I noticed you bandying around earlier how admin has asked you to be a moderator, again using this fact to try and bully your fellow forum members into accepting you as a larger figure than you actually are.

Sorry to other members for this post sounding so sharp, but MicAtCyp's attitude has wound me up this time and in the spirit of honesty and openness that this forum encourages, he should know that. It may or may not have been his intention, I hope it was the latter, otherwise he's no better than an intelligent variant of NickTheGreek and his ilk. It's about time he learned that he can't get away with pointed sarcasm and not be confronted about it.

This is one of the most sick posts I ve ever seen. Mostly on personal basis and huge sums of complexes.Well Cannedmoose I am not willing to engage in further discussion with you on this matter. I beleive you should ask a military expert to explain you the real use of military Aircraft of the F nd Miraz type in Cyprus. under present conditions. It is very close to nothing. Start from this one before going to the rest of your convinctions. I understand any attempt from me to correct you will just add to your suppressed empathy and explode out on another future occassion.... Besides I never talked of an advancing war.I talked of a war that would cause so much damage to the attackers that would put their current "prestigeous image" in doubt. In short the results of such a war would be approximately 1:20-40 against the attackers . How much time could the GCs hold?That depends, it could very well be indefinite.

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To all the people who think we are the ones who provoke and want war may I remind you once again who started it and how? Here it is:

wait and see wont be as clear cut and easy as you may think

cant wait for the sparks to fly as little "RoC" take on massive Turkey and tries to break off as many concessions as possible for maximalist demands or will the GC adminstration have the balls to veto and take the consequences....

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koumbares=Kumbara?

No bre, Kumbara is money-box. Koumbaros in Greek is the best man/woman at a wedding-usually best friend too.

[cannedmoose]

This is one of the most sick posts I ve ever seen.

Compared to the attacks you launch on other peoples ideas on a regular basis, that was nothing M@C.

Mostly on personal basis and huge sums of complexes.

On the contrary, I know you are an intelligent and well-informed person, however the manner in which you demean the opinions of others is a complex that I feel you should look into - especially if you intend to take up admin's offer of mediatorship.

Well Cannedmoose I am not willing to engage in further discussion with you on this matter... Start from this one before going to the rest of your convinctions. I understand any attempt from me to correct you will just add to your suppressed empathy and explode out on another future occassion....

I agree that this is a fruitless discussion and it should be curtailed at this point. My issue with you is not one of suppressed apathy (empathy means the exact opposite), in some cases I actually agree with your posts, where I do disagree with you, I point it out immediately... that hardly meets the definition of 'suppressed'.

I hope we can have more constructive debates in the future, without sarcasm from either side. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't respect what you have to say. What annoys me on occasions is that when I post my opinion you display total discourtesy and simply make snide remarks intended to undermine my line of argument. If these comments were based on fact rather than conjecture I would acknowledge your remarks, but I refuse to stand back and have ideas rubbished on the basis of your disagreement.

Anyway, enough said, have a good rest of the day.

[MicAtCyp]

Please dont apologise Im happy to see that other forum members can see through MicAtCyp's mightier than thou Im an expert in all areas and you are all ignorant attitude I have not responded to any of his posts because I do not only see him as being an arrogant characterless individual but very dangerous in connection with building inter community relations. He contionously tries and unsucessfully in my opinon to hide his hate and anger for Turkish Cypriots who like in the 1960 he would turn upon given the chance and wipe off the face of the earth.

Po-poooo! Heres another one with hidden empathies against me.And your opinion in the last few lines makes me sad.

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They shall accept that they, including their mainlanders, are a very small nation with no chance to do any bad to the Turkish Nation

That very small nation that you talk about was the one that started the disolving of your great Ottoman empire and almost eradicated it, remember?
That very small nation that you talk about is going to split Turkey into 100 pieces in the next 20 years and remember my words for that. The process has already started. Be careful of that very small nation dude, cause we can teach you lessons noone else can.

[cannedmoose]

Po-poooo! Heres another one with hidden empathies against me.And your opinion in the last few lines makes me sad.

At least he has the courtesy of acknowledging someone's reply... I just hope admin doesn't ask you to administrate this section, I think you'd ruin it.

Anyway, I'm done with you, your posts seem to be becoming more and more extreme as time goes on... I think you're even to the right of Piratis now...

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

To all the people who think we are the ones who provoke and want war may I remind you once again who started it and how? Here it is:

viewpoint wrote:
wait and see wont be as clear cut and easy as you may think

cant wait for the sparks to fly as little "RoC" take on massive Turkey and tries to break off as many concessions as possible for maximalist demands or will the GC adminstration have the balls to veto and take the consequences....

taken out of contexted and coupled with a brain contaminated by hatred and malice towards Turkish Cypriots and Turks I can understand why you assume everything is linked to war and the the other side is always to blame, much easier to excuse and glorify yourself that way..

I dont noramlly respond to this contributor but his approach and vulgar attitude have again compelled me to post.

He should not feel sad about anything because as he is nearly a good knowing all better than any other mortal or even imortal being, his posts have help many on the forum in a negative way to see the mindset of GCs that will only damage our realtions rather than help mend fences and try to find a solution.

[MicAtCyp]

Cannedmoose,

Your first post was a personal attack. Fullstop.
While with your second post you tried to be polite and excuse the first one, you came up with a third one where you have the audacity to praise VPs own personal attack for seconding you up.

Too cheap man! I am not buying it anymore from you.

PS.I see the meaning of the Greek word "empathy" is "empathema" in your language. Very strange....