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[The Cypriot]

Whilst the Devil (aka Turkey) exists, the Greek Orthodox Church is there to exorcise it!

I think the GO Church has been very patient waiting for Turkey to see the light towards behaving appropriately, and it has failed ... So the Church is quite right to illuminate them, now, with Mortal Justice.

We should give 100% support, in this quest, to our traditional historians and preservers of our culture.

GO GO GO!

Please note, Archbishop Chrysostomos heads the Cypriot Orthodox Church – or Church of Cyprus – one of a dozen or so independent ('autocephalous') Eastern Orthodox churches.

I know that ... similar to the Greek Cypriots and the Greeks being one and the same really.

No, not really. The Orthodox Church of Cyprus (est. 434 AD) is as distinct to the Orthodox Church of Greece (est. 1850 AD) as the:

Polish Orthodox Church
Albanian Orthodox Church
Romanian Orthodox Church
Bulgarian Orthodox Church
Georgian Orthodox Church
Russian Orthodox Church
Ukrainian Orthodox Church
Serbian Orthodox Church... etc.

And if it wasn't, Chrysostomos wouldn't be an archbishop - and wouldn't be in a position to sue Turkey for its crimes against his autocephalous Church.

[Oracle]

Whilst the Devil (aka Turkey) exists, the Greek Orthodox Church is there to exorcise it!

I think the GO Church has been very patient waiting for Turkey to see the light towards behaving appropriately, and it has failed ... So the Church is quite right to illuminate them, now, with Mortal Justice.

We should give 100% support, in this quest, to our traditional historians and preservers of our culture.

GO GO GO!

Please note, Archbishop Chrysostomos heads the Cypriot Orthodox Church – or Church of Cyprus – one of a dozen or so independent ('autocephalous') Eastern Orthodox churches.

I know that ... similar to the Greek Cypriots and the Greeks being one and the same really.

No, not really. The Orthodox Church of Cyprus (est. 434 AD) is as distinct to the Orthodox Church of Greece (est. 1850 AD) as the:

Polish Orthodox Church
Albanian Orthodox Church
Romanian Orthodox Church
Bulgarian Orthodox Church
Georgian Orthodox Church
Russian Orthodox Church
Ukrainian Orthodox Church
Serbian Orthodox Church... etc.

And if it wasn't, Chrysostomos wouldn't be an archbishop - and wouldn't be in a position to sue Turkey for its crimes against his autocephalous Church.

That still doesn't mean the Greek/Cypriot Orthodox Churches are spiritually/culturally any different, does it? Same with Greeks and Greek Cypriots!

But, I shall stop there lest I am accused of "wasting your time", again

God bless, good thread, goodbye.

[Simon]

Whilst the Devil (aka Turkey) exists, the Greek Orthodox Church is there to exorcise it!

I think the GO Church has been very patient waiting for Turkey to see the light towards behaving appropriately, and it has failed ... So the Church is quite right to illuminate them, now, with Mortal Justice.

We should give 100% support, in this quest, to our traditional historians and preservers of our culture.

GO GO GO!

Please note, Archbishop Chrysostomos heads the Cypriot Orthodox Church – or Church of Cyprus – one of a dozen or so independent ('autocephalous') Eastern Orthodox churches.

I know that ... similar to the Greek Cypriots and the Greeks being one and the same really.

No, not really. The Orthodox Church of Cyprus (est. 434 AD) is as distinct to the Orthodox Church of Greece (est. 1850 AD) as the:

Polish Orthodox Church
Albanian Orthodox Church
Romanian Orthodox Church
Bulgarian Orthodox Church
Georgian Orthodox Church
Russian Orthodox Church
Ukrainian Orthodox Church
Serbian Orthodox Church... etc.

And if it wasn't, Chrysostomos wouldn't be an archbishop - and wouldn't be in a position to sue Turkey for its crimes against his autocephalous Church.

That still doesn't mean the Greek/Cypriot Orthodox Churches are spiritually/culturally any different, does it? Same with Greeks and Greek Cypriots!

But, I shall stop there lest I am accused of "wasting your time", again

God bless, good thread, goodbye.

The Cypriot Orthodox Church is an ancient Greek Orthodox Church. People who belong to the Cypriot Church are known as Greek Orthodox. If you go to the churches in Cyprus, they are identical to those in Greece. I was baptised in Britain in a Greek Orthodox Church that is full of Cypriots! The Cypriot Church is independent from the Greek Church, but both Churches are Greek Orthodox because both speak Greek.

[The Cypriot]

That still doesn't mean the Greek/Cypriot Orthodox Churches are spiritually/culturally any different, does it?

They both conduct the liturgy in "Koine" so in that sense they are culturally equivalent, though the Cypriot church came first. Spiritually all eastern orthodox churches are the same.

Same with Greeks and Greek Cypriots!

Whatever, O. If it comforts you to lump together all the people of Greece and all people in Cyprus with a Christian orthodox heritage then who am I to deny you this comfort?

But the Church of Cyprus is autocephalous of Greece and was established centuries before the Church of Greece. Indeed Cyprus was the first nation to convert to Christianity. I think that's a hugely important aspect of Cyprus's cultural and spiritual history which is overlooked and forgotten because we sloppily lump our Church in with the Church of Greece.

But, I shall stop there lest I am accused of "wasting your time", again

It's not so much that you're "wasting my time"; more deliberately trying my patience.

God bless, good thread, goodbye.

Adio!

[The Cypriot]

The Cypriot Orthodox Church is an ancient Greek Orthodox Church.

So ancient that it predates the Greek orthodox church.

People who belong to the Cypriot Church are known as Greek Orthodox.

It could be argued strongly that this is a misnomer. But not by me as I wouldn't want to waste my time trying to convert you.

If you go to the churches in Cyprus, they are identical to those in Greece.

It could make you proud that the Greeks took Cyprus's spiritual and cultural lead, couldn't it?

I was baptised in Britain in a Greek Orthodox Church that is full of Cypriots!

The Orthodox Church of (Thyateira and) Great Britain is not autocephalous and falls under the Patriarchate of Constantinople. It's where UK Cypriots (that way inclined) go for spiritual sustenance.

The Cypriot Church is independent from the Greek Church, but both Churches are Greek Orthodox because both speak Greek.

Actually, they speak "Koine", the lingua franca of the eastern Mediterranean. It's the language in which the gospels were written and also in which Saint Paul wrote his famous letters.

[Viewpoint]

What is this a religious forum, reflects which side is influenced by religion.

[The Cypriot]

What is this a religious forum, reflects which side is influenced by religion.

Actually, VP, this has little to do with religion, per se. It's more about reclaiming important aspects Cyprus's distinct cultural heritage. You should try doing so in the north; see what happens.

[Viewpoint]

What is this a religious forum, reflects which side is influenced by religion.

Actually, VP, this has little to do with religion, per se. It's more about reclaiming important aspects Cyprus's distinct cultural heritage. You should try doing so in the north; see what happens.

There are far more important issues to be agreed, let your men in black argue their shit out in the internaitonal courts doesnt change the reality on the ground that the island will stay divided until a comprehensive solution is found.

[Simon]

The Cypriot wrote:

So ancient that it predates the Greek orthodox church.

Wrong! You are confusing the national church of Greece with the Greek Orthodox Church. It is something people like you do often, because you believe that Greece is the only country that can have anything "Greek" in its title. You believe that for anything to be Greek, it must have come from the area encompassing modern day Greece. You look at it from this narrow perspective, and fail to appreciate the history. The Greek Orthodox Church refers to several different Churches. The Cypriot Orthodox Church is an ancient Greek Orthodox Church, just like the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria, or the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch. These are ancient Greek Orthodox Churches that are independent of the Church of Greece.

Here is what is meant by 'Greek Orthodox Church':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_orthodox_church

The Cypriot wrote:

It could be argued strongly that this is a misnomer. But not by me as I wouldn't want to waste my mind trying to convert you.

Greek Orthodox means belonging to the Greek speaking Orthodox Church and share similar cultural traditions. It does not mean you're a part of the national Church of Greece. This is your misunderstanding.

The Cypriot wrote:

It could make you proud that the Greeks took Cyprus's spiritual and cultural lead, couldn't it?

What lead? The Greeks from the mainland were converted by missionaries just as the Greek Cypriots were. St Paul himself went to Athens. The Church of Greece was established much later once Greece gained independence.

The Cypriot wrote:

The Orthodox Church of (Thyateira and) Great Britain is not autocephalous and falls under the Patriarchate of Constantinople. It's where UK Cypriots (that way inclined) go for spiritual sustenance.

Yes, which is another Greek Orthodox Church.

The Cypriot wrote:

Actually, they speak "Koine", the lingua franca of the eastern Mediterranean. It's the language in which the gospels were written and also in which Saint Paul wrote his famous letters.

"Koine" was/is a form of Greek. The Church of Cyprus speaks Greek the same as the other Greek Orthodox Churches.

[denizaksulu]

That still doesn't mean the Greek/Cypriot Orthodox Churches are spiritually/culturally any different, does it?

They both conduct the liturgy in "Koine" so in that sense they are culturally equivalent, though the Cypriot church came first. Spiritually all eastern orthodox churches are the same.

Same with Greeks and Greek Cypriots!

Whatever, O. If it comforts you to lump together all the people of Greece and all people in Cyprus with a Christian orthodox heritage then who am I to deny you this comfort?

But the Church of Cyprus is autocephalous of Greece and was established centuries before the Church of Greece. Indeed Cyprus was the first nation to convert to Christianity. I think that's a hugely important aspect of Cyprus's cultural and spiritual history which is overlooked and forgotten because we sloppily lump our Church in with the Church of Greece.

But, I shall stop there lest I am accused of "wasting your time", again

It's not so much that you're "wasting my time"; more deliberately trying my patience.

God bless, good thread, goodbye.

Adio!

I was led to believe that it was Armenia the first nation to become Christian. Surely both cannot be right. Perhaps there is a subtle difference in both explanations. Yes, I know Peter and Paul...............and Barnabas.