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Well after reading all that crap about Latin, Italian and Koine, perhaps we can revert back to the original thread. In my mind the Greek Orthodox Church of Cyprus has done well into taking legal action. Why on earth has it taken them 35 years to act ?

Perhaps, like many Cypriots, they've only just realised they were autocephalous and could act independently, without permission from the Greek Patriarch. After all, he may have had reasons for not wanting to upset his hosts in Constantinople.

Malista .... esi tous photises

Having said that.... I just remembered this thread from back in April:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

Church of Cyprus to sue Republic of Turkey?

The ECJ ruling opens the door for other land owners expelled from the north to seek redress in the courts of EU member countries and to claim against assets the current occupiers may have in such countries.

Aside, of course, from the government of Cyprus the largest land owner in the north is the Cypriot Orthodox Church. What's to stop this bastion of divine truth and justice (not short of a shilling or two and certainly not a fan of the continuing Anatolian intervention) from pursuing the Republic of Turkey (and/or its subordinate regime) and seizing any assets it may have in the EU, eg. embassies, consulates, as compensation?

Maybe his Eminence, with God's help, checks in occasionally to the CF.

Kyrie Eleison!

.... Now, I have to resume going to Church on Sundays.

Which nick do you think his Eminence has?

Simon, of course.

(I'm sure he'll forgive you ....)

[The Cypriot]

(I'm sure he'll forgive you ....)

Of course he will, O. The Lord always forgives us our trespasses.

Here's what gave it away. On the first page of this thread, Paphitis, commenting on the Church suing Turkey, wrote:

So one evil dogma takes on another evil nation.

In that case, I will have to support the one that is the lesser evil!

And, quick as a thunderbolt from heaven, his Eminence the Golden-mouth came back with:

Evil dogma?

[Simon]

(I'm sure he'll forgive you ....)

Of course he will, O. The Lord always forgives us our trespasses.

Here's what gave it away. On the first page of this thread, Paphitis, commenting on the Church suing Turkey, wrote:

So one evil dogma takes on another evil nation.

In that case, I will have to support the one that is the lesser evil!

And, quick as a thunderbolt from heaven, his Eminence the Golden-mouth came back with:

Evil dogma?

Wow...

What a sharp mind you have The Cypriot.

I guess you've found me out.

[The Cypriot]

Your Eminence,

May I respectfully request that you tread carefully in your all holy and just legal actions against the heathen foreign invader. As you know, the world is largely ignorant of how the "Greek Orthodox Church" works. The ungodly Turk may not appreciate that the autocephalous Cypriot Orthodox Church is acting entirely independently of the "first among equals" Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.

This could therefore result in your brother, his Eminence the Archbishop Bartholomew I, becoming an innocent and unwitting target of extreme Turkish nationalists, as they take it upon themselves to exact barbaric revenge on him and his flock, after Turkey feels the full force of God's divine retribution in the European courts.

Forgive me for pointing out what may seem obvious, but you've demonstrated in this thread your inability sometimes to grasp the wider picture.

Yours in Christ, your most humble servant
The Cypriot

[Simon]

Your Eminence,

May I respectfully request that you tread carefully in your all holy and just legal actions against the heathen foreign invader. As you know, the world is largely ignorant of how the "Greek Orthodox Church" works. The ungodly Turk may not appreciate that the autocephalous Cypriot Orthodox Church is acting entirely independently of the "first among equals" Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.

This could therefore result in your brother, his Eminence the Archbishop Bartholomew I, becoming an innocent and unwitting target of extreme Turkish nationalists, as they take it upon themselves to exact barbaric revenge on him and his flock, after Turkey feels the full force of God's divine retribution in the European courts.

Forgive me for pointing out what may seem obvious, but you've demonstrated in this thread your inability sometimes to grasp the wider picture.

Yours in Christ, your most humble servant
The Cypriot

Your post The Cypriot has more than a hint of bitterness in it, which is typical of someone who is niggled after being up in their place.

However, thank you for your kind address, which by the grace of God I shall reply to.

I do not think that the world nor the Turks are "largely ignorant of the way the Greek Orthodox Church works" actually, I believe that special distinction is reserved only for you in this thread.

I consider that the vast majority of people who have the fainstest interest in the Orthodox communion are fully aware of the status of the ancient Church of Cyprus. Those who are not have obviously not engaged in any reading or research on the subject and therefore cannot care a great deal in the first place. The Turkish Government especially will be very aware of the Orthodox Church, considering he who many regard as the spiritual leader of the Orthodox faith resides in their midst.

Furthermore, the Turks are very unlikely to target the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I because of the actions of the Church of Cyprus, as (and again excuse me for highlighting your ignorance) the Turks only recognise his eminence as the spiritual leader of the Greek minority in Turkey, and not his official title as spiritual leader of around 300 million Orthodox Christians around the world, including those in Cyprus.

Of course, if you are simply referring to mindless nationalists, then perhaps they will not care about any kind of distinction in any event, and will look to exact revenge wherever possible no matter how carefully we tread. In order to seek justice, this unfortunately is a risk we must take. We can only put our trust in God and the Turkish authorities.

You also state that I have an "inability to grasp the wider picture". As my original post was only to a specific point and not any wider picture, I feel that this is a completely unsubstantiated claim, which comes from your bitterness. Unless of course you would like to expand sufficiently so I can give a fuller retort.

May God bless you and keep you, and help remove you from your ignorance.

Amen.

[The Cypriot]

We can only put our trust in God and the Turkish authorities.

Your Eminence, I do so envy you for your blind faith, not to mention your unwavering moral rectitude. I wish you every success in your endeavours and if you are now willing to risk the life of the Patriarch in this way for the sake of justice for Cyprus then your archbiscopic archithkia are truly worthy of their autocephalous status and I salute them.
Yours in ignorance
The Cypriot

[Paphitis]

We can only put our trust in God and the Turkish authorities.

Your Eminence, I do so envy you for your blind faith, not to mention your unwavering moral rectitude. I wish you every success in your endeavours and if you are now willing to risk the life of the Patriarch in this way for the sake of justice for Cyprus then your archbiscopic archithkia are truly worthy of their autocaphalous status and I salute them.
Yours in ignorance
The Cypriot

Who cares about the Patriarch?

Surely justice for Cyprus is more important than his "eminence"?

He is more revered than the Queen, and his reign over a dogma and people from the cot (brainwashing) is an abuse of Human Rights. You might as well establish a monarch in both Greece and Cyprus. How depressingly backward!

[The Cypriot]

We can only put our trust in God and the Turkish authorities.

Your Eminence, I do so envy you for your blind faith, not to mention your unwavering moral rectitude. I wish you every success in your endeavours and if you are now willing to risk the life of the Patriarch in this way for the sake of justice for Cyprus then your archbiscopic archithkia are truly worthy of their autocaphalous status and I salute them.
Yours in ignorance
The Cypriot

Who cares about the Patriarch?

Surely justice for Cyprus is more important than his "eminence"?

I agree. Justice for Cyprus is more important than his eminence or any other wider consideration. Cypriots must pursue their own specific interests without hesitation and I am so pleased the Church is taking this hugely symbolic lead at last. If the Greek Patriarch of Constantinople is sacrificed then, frankly, so be it.

[Simon]

We can only put our trust in God and the Turkish authorities.

Your Eminence, I do so envy you for your blind faith, not to mention your unwavering moral rectitude. I wish you every success in your endeavours and if you are now willing to risk the life of the Patriarch in this way for the sake of justice for Cyprus then your archbiscopic archithkia are truly worthy of their autocephalous status and I salute them.
Yours in ignorance
The Cypriot

Thank you for your kind words.

May I just draw your attention to one small point of issue from your above post.

I would not regard putting our trust in the Turkish authorities as "blind faith", but more of a necessity, as the Patriarch does after all reside in Turkey. Hence, it is not like we have much choice.

If Turkey wants to demonstrate to the EU that it is worthy of being grouped amongst the Western democracies of the EU, I'm sure it will lend its best endeavours to ensure that such an esteemed religious leader is kept safe.

If, for some reason, this does fail to materialise, then so be it. I'm sure you will be well aware that one of the fundamental tenets of the Christian faith is sacrifice.

Kind regards

[Get Real!]

If I understand the recent exchanges well, our Simon is a babathkia?