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Re: BBC News

Postby Oracle » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:03 pm

Milo wrote:In full: Statement from Megrahi

After leaving HM Prison Greenock after being released on compassionate grounds, Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi released the following statement:

I am obviously very relieved to be leaving my prison cell at last and returning to Libya, my homeland.

I would like to first of all take the opportunity to extend my gratitude to the many people of Scotland, and elsewhere, who have sent me their good wishes.

I bear no ill will to the people of Scotland; indeed, it is one of my regrets that I have been unable to experience any meaningful aspect of Scottish life, or to see your country.

To the staff in HM Prison Greenock, and before that at HM Prison Barlinnie, I wish to express thanks for the kindness that they were able to show me.

For those who assisted in my medical and nursing care; who tried to make my time here as comfortable as possible, I am of course grateful.

My legal team has worked tirelessly on my behalf; I wish to thank Advocates Margaret Scott QC, Jamie Gilchrist QC, Shelagh McCall and Martin Richardson together with the team at Taylor & Kelly, for all of their gallant efforts in my bid to clear my name.

I know they share, in no small measure, my disappointment about the abandonment of my appeal.

Many people, including the relatives of those who died in, and over, Lockerbie, are, I know, upset that my appeal has come to an end; that nothing more can be done about the circumstances surrounding the Lockerbie bombing.

I share their frustration. I had most to gain and nothing to lose about the whole truth coming out - until my diagnosis of cancer.

To those victims' relatives who can bear to hear me say this: they continue to have my sincere sympathy for the unimaginable loss that they have suffered.

To those who bear me ill will, I do not return that to you.

And, lastly, I must turn to my conviction and imprisonment.

To be incarcerated in a far off land, completely alien to my way of life and culture has been not only been a shock but also a most profound dislocation for me personally and for my whole family.

I have had many burdens to overcome during my incarceration.

I had to sit through a trial which I had been persuaded to attend on the basis that it would have been scrupulously fair.

In my second, most recent, appeal I disputed such a description.

I had to endure a verdict being issued at the conclusion of that trial which is now characterised by my lawyers, and the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission, as unreasonable.
Aeroplane with Megrahi on board leaving Glasgow Airport
A Libyan aircraft leaves Glasgow Airport with Megrahi on board

To me, and to other right thinking people back at home in Libya, and in the international community, it is nothing short of a disgrace.

As a result of my surrender, and that judgment of the Court, I had to spend over 10 years in prison.

I cannot find words in my language or yours that give proper expression to the desolation I have felt. This horrible ordeal is not ended by my return to Libya.

It may never end for me until I die. Perhaps the only liberation for me will be death.

And I say in the clearest possible terms, which I hope every person in every land will hear: all of this I have had to endure for something that I did not do.

The remaining days of my life are being lived under the shadow of the wrongness of my conviction.

I have been faced with an appalling choice: to risk dying in prison in the hope that my name is cleared posthumously or to return home still carrying the weight of the guilty verdict, which will never now be lifted.

The choice which I made is a matter of sorrow, disappointment and anger, which I fear I will never overcome.

I say goodbye to Scotland and shall not return. My time here has been very unhappy and I do not leave a piece of myself. But to the country's people I offer my gratitude and best wishes.


What a crime that this man was removed from society and the true criminals are still free!

I think he deserves to be given an apology, before he dies .....
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Postby CBBB » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:14 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote:
CBBB wrote:Links to these quotes please.


http://www.answers.com/topic/king-david-hotel-bombing

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/318411/King-David-Hotel

Don't tell me you thought the Arabs blew up the King David Hotel?

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/terminal_velocity.htm


So I'm waiting for your answer bugs (CBBB)?


What happened in 1946 is not really relevant, and the other source you quote is not exactly credible.

I am not saying that your opinion is bollocks, but a reliable source makes a big difference.

As you know 9/11 was carried out by the CIA/Mossad (there were no Jews in the Trade Centre that day)!!! Give me a source for that theory!
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Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:35 pm

CBBB wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote:
CBBB wrote:Links to these quotes please.


http://www.answers.com/topic/king-david-hotel-bombing

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/318411/King-David-Hotel

Don't tell me you thought the Arabs blew up the King David Hotel?

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/terminal_velocity.htm


So I'm waiting for your answer bugs (CBBB)?



What happened in 1946 is not really relevant, and the other source you quote is not exactly credible.

I am not saying that your opinion is bollocks, but a reliable source makes a big difference.

As you know 9/11 was carried out by the CIA/Mossad (there were no Jews in the Trade Centre that day)!!! Give me a source for that theory!


The source I gave you is credible, it quotes the

"Channel 4 Dispatches Documentary from 1997 investigating the conspiracy and cover-up surrounding the murder of WPC Yvonne Fletcher in London on 17th April 1984 ". :wink:



Naughty, naughty didn't read it all or not at all. :roll:

What happened at the King David hotel is very relevant as it was a false flag operation just as the attack on USS Liberty was going to be.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7ca_1187606465&comment_order=newest_first
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Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:48 pm

New forensic evidence could free Libyan convicted of Lockerbie bombing
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 12:21 AM on 21st December 2008


New evidence could free Lockerbie bomber Abdelbasset Al Megrahi
Fresh evidence has cast doubt on the conviction of a Libyan for the Lockerbie bombing 20 years ago that killed 270 people.

New forensic analysis on a fragment of the timing device alleged to have triggered the bomb that brought down Pan Am jet 103 on December 21, 1988, is said to have found no trace of explosive residue.

Lawyers acting for Abdelbasset Al Megrahi, the 56-year-old Libyan jailed for life for the bombing in 2001, will present the evidence at a forthcoming appeal into his conviction.

His legal team says the new information supports claims the timer was planted by investigators in a politically-motivated attempt to incriminate Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi.
Sources close to his defence team say the tests should have revealed significant traces of explosive residue caused by the blast.
The fragment was said to have been found by police in a singed shirt 25 miles from the Scottish town where the New York-bound Boeing 747 came down.

Last night, a source close to the investigation said: ‘The only piece of forensic evidence in the chain that pointed to Libyan guilt has never been near the seat of an explosion.’

Megrahi is suffering from prostate cancer. Doctors said in October that he had less than a year to live

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1099166/New-forensic-evidence-free-Libyan-convicted-Lockerbie-bombing.html
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Re: Compassionate, and correct, or just plain wrong?

Postby baby-come-fly-with-me » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:55 pm

Talisker wrote:This week the UK and Scottish governments agreed the release, on compassionate grounds, of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi, the one man convicted of the murder of 270 people as a result of the bombing of Pan-Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie in 1988, on the basis that he is in the latter stages of terminal prostate cancer. This man has now returned to Libya to a hero's welcome.

Was the decision to release correct or just plain wrong?

WRONG and i would of been waiting for him with a bomb beside his bed, just to see how he likes it :evil: :evil: he is evil, and this is no punishment :evil: :evil:
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Re: Compassionate, and correct, or just plain wrong?

Postby baby-come-fly-with-me » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:00 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Talisker wrote:This week the UK and Scottish governments agreed the release, on compassionate grounds, of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi, the one man convicted of the murder of 270 people as a result of the bombing of Pan-Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie in 1988, on the basis that he is in the latter stages of terminal prostate cancer. This man has now returned to Libya to a hero's welcome.

Was the decision to release correct or just plain wrong?


I believe this was the correct decision as the man should be given the opportunity to say Good bye to his relatives and friends.

I find the UK and Scottish decision to be compassionate, and the guy has already spent over 21 years in jail already, and probably only has a few weeks or days to live...

I also happen to doubt the man's guilt, as he could have been scape goat, but do not know enough to make comment on that. But even if he is guilty, then I believe it is still right to release him on compassionate grounds, considering his personal circumstances.

evn if he is guilty!! he doesnt deserve anything nice, okay hes got a couple of weeks to live and has already served 21 yrs behind bars (prob with a computor, dvd, tv and cigeretts and other luxurys), but what about the people who he killed?? they havent been around for the 21 yrs and they will never be around again
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Re: Compassionate, and correct, or just plain wrong?

Postby Paphitis » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:00 pm

baby-come-fly-with-me wrote:
Talisker wrote:This week the UK and Scottish governments agreed the release, on compassionate grounds, of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi, the one man convicted of the murder of 270 people as a result of the bombing of Pan-Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie in 1988, on the basis that he is in the latter stages of terminal prostate cancer. This man has now returned to Libya to a hero's welcome.

Was the decision to release correct or just plain wrong?

WRONG and i would of been waiting for him with a bomb beside his bed, just to see how he likes it :evil: :evil: he is evil, and this is no punishment :evil: :evil:


You have absolutely no idea do you?

Personally, I had no idea someone can be so stupid...Image
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Re: BBC News

Postby Paphitis » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:04 pm

Milo wrote:In full: Statement from Megrahi

After leaving HM Prison Greenock after being released on compassionate grounds, Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi released the following statement:

I am obviously very relieved to be leaving my prison cell at last and returning to Libya, my homeland.

I would like to first of all take the opportunity to extend my gratitude to the many people of Scotland, and elsewhere, who have sent me their good wishes.

I bear no ill will to the people of Scotland; indeed, it is one of my regrets that I have been unable to experience any meaningful aspect of Scottish life, or to see your country.

To the staff in HM Prison Greenock, and before that at HM Prison Barlinnie, I wish to express thanks for the kindness that they were able to show me.

For those who assisted in my medical and nursing care; who tried to make my time here as comfortable as possible, I am of course grateful.

My legal team has worked tirelessly on my behalf; I wish to thank Advocates Margaret Scott QC, Jamie Gilchrist QC, Shelagh McCall and Martin Richardson together with the team at Taylor & Kelly, for all of their gallant efforts in my bid to clear my name.

I know they share, in no small measure, my disappointment about the abandonment of my appeal.

Many people, including the relatives of those who died in, and over, Lockerbie, are, I know, upset that my appeal has come to an end; that nothing more can be done about the circumstances surrounding the Lockerbie bombing.

I share their frustration. I had most to gain and nothing to lose about the whole truth coming out - until my diagnosis of cancer.

To those victims' relatives who can bear to hear me say this: they continue to have my sincere sympathy for the unimaginable loss that they have suffered.

To those who bear me ill will, I do not return that to you.

And, lastly, I must turn to my conviction and imprisonment.

To be incarcerated in a far off land, completely alien to my way of life and culture has been not only been a shock but also a most profound dislocation for me personally and for my whole family.

I have had many burdens to overcome during my incarceration.

I had to sit through a trial which I had been persuaded to attend on the basis that it would have been scrupulously fair.

In my second, most recent, appeal I disputed such a description.

I had to endure a verdict being issued at the conclusion of that trial which is now characterised by my lawyers, and the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission, as unreasonable.
Aeroplane with Megrahi on board leaving Glasgow Airport
A Libyan aircraft leaves Glasgow Airport with Megrahi on board

To me, and to other right thinking people back at home in Libya, and in the international community, it is nothing short of a disgrace.

As a result of my surrender, and that judgment of the Court, I had to spend over 10 years in prison.

I cannot find words in my language or yours that give proper expression to the desolation I have felt. This horrible ordeal is not ended by my return to Libya.

It may never end for me until I die. Perhaps the only liberation for me will be death.

And I say in the clearest possible terms, which I hope every person in every land will hear: all of this I have had to endure for something that I did not do.

The remaining days of my life are being lived under the shadow of the wrongness of my conviction.

I have been faced with an appalling choice: to risk dying in prison in the hope that my name is cleared posthumously or to return home still carrying the weight of the guilty verdict, which will never now be lifted.

The choice which I made is a matter of sorrow, disappointment and anger, which I fear I will never overcome.

I say goodbye to Scotland and shall not return. My time here has been very unhappy and I do not leave a piece of myself. But to the country's people I offer my gratitude and best wishes.


These are not the words of an evil man...
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Re: BBC News

Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:22 pm

baby-come-fly-with-me wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Milo wrote:In full: Statement from Megrahi

After leaving HM Prison Greenock after being released on compassionate grounds, Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi released the following statement:

I am obviously very relieved to be leaving my prison cell at last and returning to Libya, my homeland.

I would like to first of all take the opportunity to extend my gratitude to the many people of Scotland, and elsewhere, who have sent me their good wishes.

I bear no ill will to the people of Scotland; indeed, it is one of my regrets that I have been unable to experience any meaningful aspect of Scottish life, or to see your country.

To the staff in HM Prison Greenock, and before that at HM Prison Barlinnie, I wish to express thanks for the kindness that they were able to show me.

For those who assisted in my medical and nursing care; who tried to make my time here as comfortable as possible, I am of course grateful.

My legal team has worked tirelessly on my behalf; I wish to thank Advocates Margaret Scott QC, Jamie Gilchrist QC, Shelagh McCall and Martin Richardson together with the team at Taylor & Kelly, for all of their gallant efforts in my bid to clear my name.

I know they share, in no small measure, my disappointment about the abandonment of my appeal.

Many people, including the relatives of those who died in, and over, Lockerbie, are, I know, upset that my appeal has come to an end; that nothing more can be done about the circumstances surrounding the Lockerbie bombing.

I share their frustration. I had most to gain and nothing to lose about the whole truth coming out - until my diagnosis of cancer.

To those victims' relatives who can bear to hear me say this: they continue to have my sincere sympathy for the unimaginable loss that they have suffered.

To those who bear me ill will, I do not return that to you.

And, lastly, I must turn to my conviction and imprisonment.

To be incarcerated in a far off land, completely alien to my way of life and culture has been not only been a shock but also a most profound dislocation for me personally and for my whole family.

I have had many burdens to overcome during my incarceration.

I had to sit through a trial which I had been persuaded to attend on the basis that it would have been scrupulously fair.

In my second, most recent, appeal I disputed such a description.

I had to endure a verdict being issued at the conclusion of that trial which is now characterised by my lawyers, and the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission, as unreasonable.
Aeroplane with Megrahi on board leaving Glasgow Airport
A Libyan aircraft leaves Glasgow Airport with Megrahi on board

To me, and to other right thinking people back at home in Libya, and in the international community, it is nothing short of a disgrace.

As a result of my surrender, and that judgment of the Court, I had to spend over 10 years in prison.

I cannot find words in my language or yours that give proper expression to the desolation I have felt. This horrible ordeal is not ended by my return to Libya.

It may never end for me until I die. Perhaps the only liberation for me will be death.

And I say in the clearest possible terms, which I hope every person in every land will hear: all of this I have had to endure for something that I did not do.

The remaining days of my life are being lived under the shadow of the wrongness of my conviction.

I have been faced with an appalling choice: to risk dying in prison in the hope that my name is cleared posthumously or to return home still carrying the weight of the guilty verdict, which will never now be lifted.

The choice which I made is a matter of sorrow, disappointment and anger, which I fear I will never overcome.

I say goodbye to Scotland and shall not return. My time here has been very unhappy and I do not leave a piece of myself. But to the country's people I offer my gratitude and best wishes.


These are not the words of an evil man...

bollocks


Christ, you are more stupid than Emma... :roll:
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Re: Compassionate, and correct, or just plain wrong?

Postby EPSILON » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:19 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Talisker wrote:This week the UK and Scottish governments agreed the release, on compassionate grounds, of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi, the one man convicted of the murder of 270 people as a result of the bombing of Pan-Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie in 1988, on the basis that he is in the latter stages of terminal prostate cancer. This man has now returned to Libya to a hero's welcome.

Was the decision to release correct or just plain wrong?


I believe this was the correct decision as the man should be given the opportunity to say Good bye to his relatives and friends.

I find the UK and Scottish decision to be compassionate, and the guy has already spent over 21 years in jail already, and probably only has a few weeks or days to live...

I also happen to doubt the man's guilt, as he could have been scape goat, but do not know enough to make comment on that. But even if he is guilty, then I believe it is still right to release him on compassionate grounds, considering his personal circumstances.


Very good post. Democracy must not afraid to show its humanity feelings.
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