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[cyprico]

Miltiades, I cannot find that thread to give you a reply so I have started a new post just for you, as you are the one that keeps asking the question.
You asked do I agree with apostasy? No I don't and there is nothing in the Quran that supports this.

If we look, in the light of all this, to apostasy, we will find that there is no decisive and definitive punishment in the Qur'an for an apostate, and that there is no single incident in the life of the Prophet to prove that he killed anyone for leaving Islam.

You said you studied Islam therefore you should have known the answer, I think you are asking the wrong people about Islam and getting the wrong answers.

JIHAD.
Although Islamic jihad is a Qur'anic concept, the Qur'an, in reality, is rarely consulted for understanding this concept. The widespread misunderstanding of jihad can only be attributed to an endemic neglect of the Qur'an, not only by non-Muslims, but by Muslims as well. The Qur'an has charged Muslims with the responsibility of educating others about its message and disseminating its teachings. Unfortunately, Muslims have had a big share in propagating the common misunderstanding that jihad is all about violence. Many Muslims think that "jihad" means "holy war." It is a sad but undeniable fact that many Muslims learn about Islamic practices and concepts, such as jihad, from secondary, often unreliable, sources. It is not uncommon even for cultural beliefs and narratives to be among those sources.

So my friend please stop misunderstanding ISLAM, there are good and bad in every religion, sadly you chose to look at the bad side of everything, take care be happy, enjoy what you have, relax take it easy and you will understand life far far better.

[CBBB]

The problem isn't necessarily what the Qur'an says. it is the way the majority of the backward people that follow it interpret it!

[Get Real!]

The problem isn't necessarily what the Qur'an says. it is the way the majority of the backward people that follow it interpret it!

If the interpretation is wrong then they're clearly NOT following it are they now?

The same could be said about the over abuse of Christianity.

[miltiades]

Such as the recent Afghanistani government law , no doubt introduced in order to attract the voters , that a husband can starve his wife if she refuses sex.
Is it coincidence that the less literate nations in the world are also the ones that interpret their belief in the most absurd fashion. Say what you will but Islam is not a religion that is either tolerant of other faiths or compassionate towards either those that leave Islam or indeed those considered as infidels.
This religion , contrary to what GR posted earlier is not one that is increasing but one that will eventually decrease and restrict itself amongst the worlds poorest and most illiterate nations.

[CBBB]

The problem isn't necessarily what the Qur'an says. it is the way the majority of the backward people that follow it interpret it!

If the interpretation is wrong then they're clearly NOT following it are they now?

The same could be said about the over abuse of Christianity.

And every other religion!

[cyprico]

Correct, the probelm isnt with the Quran, its with the people. If you read it and follow it properly then you would never kill or harm anyone.

[CBBB]

Correct, the probelm isnt with the Quran, its with the people. If you read it and follow it properly then you would never kill or harm anyone.

So what is going on then?

[miltiades]

Miltiades, I cannot find that thread to give you a reply so I have started a new post just for you, as you are the one that keeps asking the question.
You asked do I agree with apostasy? No I don't and there is nothing in the Quran that supports this.

If we look, in the light of all this, to apostasy, we will find that there is no decisive and definitive punishment in the Qur'an for an apostate, and that there is no single incident in the life of the Prophet to prove that he killed anyone for leaving Islam.

You said you studied Islam therefore you should have known the answer, I think you are asking the wrong people about Islam and getting the wrong answers.

JIHAD.
Although Islamic jihad is a Qur'anic concept, the Qur'an, in reality, is rarely consulted for understanding this concept. The widespread misunderstanding of jihad can only be attributed to an endemic neglect of the Qur'an, not only by non-Muslims, but by Muslims as well. The Qur'an has charged Muslims with the responsibility of educating others about its message and disseminating its teachings. Unfortunately, Muslims have had a big share in propagating the common misunderstanding that jihad is all about violence. Many Muslims think that "jihad" means "holy war." It is a sad but undeniable fact that many Muslims learn about Islamic practices and concepts, such as jihad, from secondary, often unreliable, sources. It is not uncommon even for cultural beliefs and narratives to be among those sources.

So my friend please stop misunderstanding ISLAM, there are good and bad in every religion, sadly you chose to look at the bad side of everything, take care be happy, enjoy what you have, relax take it easy and you will understand life far far better.

May I suggest that YOU read the Qur'an .
Is this false :
""""In Somalia another four converts from Islam have just been beheaded by radical Sunni Islamists who desire a 100 percent fanatical state. The four Christians were killed by the Al-Shabab on the grounds of “fitna.” Fitna applies to creating religious discord and in the minds of Al-Shabab, all converts who leave Islam must be killed in accordance with the Koran and Hadiths.""

IS THIS ALSO FALSE , ITS IN THE QUR'AN:
“if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them”(Qur’an 4:89)

OR THIS:
" for the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ “(Bukhari 4.260)
OR THIS:

1. Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Narrated ‘Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’”


I can not see any compassion here , can you ?

ps. I asked if you agreed that apostates should be put to death NOT if you agree with apostasy ,!

[cyprico]

miltiades: There you go again, its the goverment man made law not the law of God, this is where you are misunderstanding religion. What is your problem with Islam? why do you keep bringing it up, do the muslims hurt you? have you had a bad experience with one?

[Get Real!]

Such as the recent Afghanistani government law , no doubt introduced in order to attract the voters , that a husband can starve his wife if she refuses sex.
Is it coincidence that the less literate nations in the world are also the ones that interpret their belief in the most absurd fashion. Say what you will but Islam is not a religion that is either tolerant of other faiths or compassionate towards either those that leave Islam or indeed those considered as infidels.
This religion , contrary to what GR posted earlier is not one that is increasing but one that will eventually decrease and restrict itself amongst the worlds poorest and most illiterate nations.

It took your favorite “literate” nation the US, to install this puppet government in Afghanistan for this law to pass… go figure!

Btw, ignorant Miltiades… Islam is on a HUGE increase in popularity because idiots like you and George Bush, and now Obama, are doing everything possible to disgrace Christianity with your atrocious actions and elevate Islam.