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Qamerland wrote:

I agree with you that Christians have rejected the Old teaching but i am sorry to say they are not even following what Jesus (Peace be upon him) says in the New Testament.

I agree with you. Many people are nominal Christians in the west and don't truly believe in God nor follow the teachings. But that is not really relevant to my point.

[QAMERSLAND]

[quote="QAMERSLAND] [quote]
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:

Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:

"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "

All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.[/quote]

Qamersland these verses do refer to the Holy Spirit and the Pentecost.

John:14.16 - the Holy Spririt to this very day abides with us and continues to guide the Church from the day of Pentecost to the present - Muhummad is long dead.

John:15.26 - Jesus Christ states that HE will send the Comforter, which he did on the day of Pentecost when he sent the Holy Spirit - I do not remember it being stated anywhere that Jesus Christ sent Muhummad.

John:16:7 - Jesus Christ again states that HE will send the Comforter and that must leave quickly so that the Comforter can come. The Pentecost occured shortly after the ressurection of Christ, wheras as Muhammad appeared some 600 years later so why the expediency?

John:16:12-24: Christs Disciples where concerned about what would happen when he was gone and send the Holy Spirit to them on Pentecost.

These verse also confirm the doctines of the Trinity and Christs divinity.

You wade through the old and new testament looking for proof of Muhammad and Islam, but you're only deluding yourself.

If you read them in the Spirit of Truth then you will come to see the truth.[/quote]

Thanks Me ed to brings up the question if Jesus is talking about Holy spirit or Muhammad(PBUT) . please cosider the following

If the prophecy in the New Testament is referred to Holy Spirit then what about the Holy Spirit which was already present there before Jesus and when Jesus (PBUH) was Baptized in the river of Jordan which is mentioned in Bible? So Bible itself proves that Jesus(PBUH) is not referring to holy spirit but about Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) who is the only who fits exactly in the prophesies mentioned both in New and Old Testaments. He is talking about someone who will come after he leaves and he will glorify him. If you read Quran (Last and Final Testament from God). You find name of Jesus(PBUH) mentioned 25 times and Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) also glorified him and A Muslim is not a Muslim if he does not believe Jesus Christ (PBUH) one of the mightiest Prophet of God with wonders and miracles and there is chapter in the Quran by the name Marry(PBUH) the mother of Jesus (PBUH).

http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/QURAN/19.htm

You should know Muhammad (PBUH) before you analyze if the prophesies in the bible refer to him or not.

http://www.islambasics.com/downloads/PP ... 56,2,Slide 2

You should actually read his full authentic biography. Above are just comments from mostly non Muslims.


Tell me only one thing in last 2000 years which holy sprit has taught you new where Jesus (PBUH) said he will teach you many things? I don’t ask for many but just one.

Only Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) were given the Last holy scripture (Quran) in which many new things are taught for humanity and also Islam is the only non Christian religion which makes an article to believe in Jesus(PBUH)

Further in the Old Testament where Prophet Moses (PBUH) also prophesized about a prophet which will from their brethrens? What about that prophecy? Prophet Abraham (PBUH) had to sons. Ishmael and Isaac (PBUT). Jews were the descendent of Isaac and Arabs were the descendent of Ishmael. So also the prophesy in the Old Testament is fulfilled that there will be a prophet among your brotherns and he will be like Prophet Moses (PBUH).



John 16:13-14 “However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. “He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.”
Jesus tells us that the Spirit will not speak on His own authority (v. 14) but will say What Jesus says . His purpose, He will glorify Jesus. Verse 16 says that He will take what is Jesus' and declare it unto you.

If you read the well preserved biography of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). You will come to know how God revealed him the Quran trough Angel Gabriel. Quran is 100% word of God and there is nothing in the Quran what Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said which proves that he did not speak on his own authority but whatever God revealed him. These are the following verses which was first revealed by God to him

http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/QURAN/96.htm

The original bible which was written long time after Jesus(PBUH) departed from the world is not available in it original language. The oldest version is in the Greek language available. I have asked many Greeks to read the verses mention about someone to come after the departure of Jesus(PBUH) and they found that Jesus (PBUH) is talking about a human being not spirit and by the grace of God some of them even reverted to their original faith which is Islam after reading those verses from their Bibles present in their houses from long time but they never read before. The Priest are misguiding the people and they do not encourage people to read their holy scripture but in the other hand Islam encourages people not only read but to understand and every Muslim you will find can recite you many verses of the Quran by heart and there are about 10 million Muslims in the world present today who know the Quran by heart because God almighty promised in the Quran to preserve it till the day of judgment. The Quran is the same from last 1400 years in its original language which is Arabic.

[Bad Boy]

Bad boy , cut the crap out. The law in Afghanistan is representative of the Islamic outlook on women with the exception of perhaps Turkey most other Muslim nations consider women as second class objects.

Find me just 1 word from Quran saying that Woman is second class, In Islam as religion Man and Woman are equal, and even we have more respect to woman as Our mother, Sister and Wife.

We dont have any other disrespective relation with woman like ''christian society'' calling her girl friend or ''bi**h''

now you people learning for the rights of woman, islam told these rights 1400 years before.

Dont tell me what few blacksheeps are doing to destroy islam, tell me what islam is teaching us from Quran. you people never read Quran, and just listen media, come to cyprus forum, copy some letrature from other antislamic websites, and post it here, to tell us you know all religions breifly.

I bet you dont even know what is Quran, and how it was written. any refrence from Quran you are giving is just one line, to understand each word of quran you must study all Quran, and also U should know what was happening that time when God send that words to Muhammad (pbuh).

we muslim know all this and when we read Quran we dont read just that reference, which you just find from any antislamic website. you will start reading if you will be honest to find truth, right now you are not finding truth, right now you are only finding ''material to disgrace islam''

thats what is your intentions now, if Jesus taught us to love our enemies, its mean that we shouldnt disgrace them also, but we must find truth. but unfortunately your intentions are stucked on disgracing islam and showing in the forum that you are the most religious educated personality on this forum.

SO THATS WHY YOU WILL NEVER FIND TRUTH.

stop writing in this forum, and make your research for yoruself, look again on all matters, dont mix islam with muslim society, read it as islam and christianity.

I am sure you will come to a point to tell us that you have found something different than what you were posting till now.

MAY GOD SHOW U TRUTH.....................Amen

[Me Ed]

QAMERSLAND

Christians believe that not only was the Holy Spirit always there before time but so was Jesus Christ.

Tell me only one thing in last 2000 years which holy sprit has taught you new where Jesus (PBUH) said he will teach you many things? I don’t ask for many but just one.

I'll give you three, the doctrine of the Trinity, no meat is unclean, that you can worship on any day you wish.

Do you want more ...

The divine liturgy, numerous prayers, all the teachings of the Holy Fathers, the rulings of the Councils.

With the Holy Spirit and Tradition, Christianity is a living religion and not set in stone some 1400 years ago. God teaches us an helps us TODAY.

If you read the well preserved biography of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). You will come to know how God revealed him the Quran trough Angel Gabriel. Quran is 100% word of God and there is nothing in the Quran what Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said which proves that he did not speak on his own authority but whatever God revealed him. These are the following verses which was first revealed by God to him

and there lies in the problem. When giving a law or teaching, God spoke directly to Adam and the Prophets and His Son Jesus as God spoke directly to his disciple, angel delivered messages like the forecoming of the birth of Christ.

Now why would God use an angel to reveal your "glorious wonderous holy scripture" to Muhammad(rip) when He could have spoken directly to him just as he did to his Prophets.

It was not Gabriel as he never revealed Gods law in any documented history but none other than the great deceiver himself whose sole purpose was to remove mankind form the truth.

It took him 600 hundred years to come up with his deceit and he even has you now unwittingly twisting the Word of God to further remove mankind from the truth.

[fig head]

see., the thing is that every one over here wanna prove he is right and his religion is the right one to follow, in the end of the day in the real world religions have done nothing to the world but creating arguements and war!! .

religions related wars have killed more people on this earth more than any weapon did!!! so why not just believe in your self and if there is a god he will know if you good or bad!! he made us didnt he ( if he truely there )

[Me Ed]

see., the thing is that every one over here wanna prove he is right and his religion is the right one to follow, in the end of the day in the real world religions have done nothing to the world but creating arguements and war!! .

religions related wars have killed more people on this earth more than any weapon did!!! so why not just believe in your self and if there is a god he will know if you good or bad!! he made us didnt he ( if he truely there )

Emma, I for one am happy to, but when certain individuals like QAMERSLAND and Offlimits2 start quoting the verses from MY Bible to justify THEIR beliefs, it cannot go unanswered.

I simply cannot sit here and allow QAMERSLAND to present verses from the Bible puporting to support Muhammad so people can read them and think "yeah, this guys got a point" when his whole premise is false.

As a rule, I never start these debates, but I will never leave these false challenges unanswered.

If QAMERSLAND continues with his lies, then I will continue to refute them.

[fig head]

good luck me ed, never argue with anyone`s believes cause they will never say yea you are right..!!

[Me Ed]

good luck me ed, never argue with anyone`s believes cause they will never say yea you are right..!!

I know Emma, but I need QAMERSLAND to realise this too!

[Bad Boy]

good luck me ed, never argue with anyone`s believes cause they will never say yea you are right..!!

I know Emma, but I need QAMERSLAND to realise this too!

Thats what I said in my previous post also go and find truth and then come to forum to discuss, and be honest when you are looking for truth,

dont take sides.

on forum you will never find truth because everybody trying to be on TOP here, and not listening to others. Thats how religious war starts. we are in this time now that we are educated, all of us who are writing on this forum are much educated, I only request them to listen both sides, and be honest to find the truth, I am sure you will find it this way, it was old times when people were not listening to each others, and Religious wars were starting.

I am not going to write anymore on this topic because I cannot see disgracing my prophet for no reason, actualy Qamarsland is providing you a forum to abuse our prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

God Bless you all and show you the Truth..............Ameen

[Me Ed]

good luck me ed, never argue with anyone`s believes cause they will never say yea you are right..!!

I know Emma, but I need QAMERSLAND to realise this too!

Thats what I said in my previous post also go and find truth and then come to forum to discuss, and be honest when you are looking for truth,

dont take sides.

on forum you will never find truth because everybody trying to be on TOP here, and not listening to others. Thats how religious war starts. we are in this time now that we are educated, all of us who are writing on this forum are much educated, I only request them to listen both sides, and be honest to find the truth, I am sure you will find it this way, it was old times when people were not listening to each others, and Religious wars were starting.

I am not going to write anymore on this topic because I cannot see disgracing my prophet for no reason, actualy Qamarsland is providing you a forum to abuse our prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

God Bless you all and show you the Truth..............Ameen

Thanks, but I have found the truth.

Qamarsland started this by abusing the word of God, the Holy Spirit and the Son of God, so your general advice should be directed to him.

In the old Testament a Prophet is defined as someone who God has spoken DIRECTLY to.

Adam = Prophet
Moses = Prophet
Elijah = Prophet
Daniel not a prophet as an angel sent him his dreams
Muhammad not a prophet for the same reason.