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Postby QAMERSLAND » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:29 am

Simon wrote:People constantly bang on about the Old Testament to attack Christians, but you need to understand that Christians do not follow the vast majority of the teachings of the Old Testament, because the New Testament superceded a lot of it.

They are called Christians because they follow the teachings of Christ.

Jesus taught people not to judge when the Jews were going to put a woman to death, Jesus told the Jews not to fight the Romans and to love your enemies.


I agree with you that Christians have rejected the Old teaching but i am sorry to say they are not even following what Jesus (Peace be upon him) says in the New Testament.

Matthew 5:17: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Old Testament:

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

1. MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:

Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)

Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).

Words in the mouth:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

[Deuteronomy 18:18]

iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

3. Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

4. prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:

Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:

"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "

All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.
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Postby miltiades » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:37 am

Rubbish as usual.
Read this religious man and tell us whether you aggree that in your faith a man has a right to rape his wife .
Do tell us please if this barbaric law meets with your approval , and please less of this boring peace be .....

Right to rape: is that what we’re fighting for?


Just days before the elections, however, we learn that the ideological battle for women is already compromised, sacrificed in the murky horse trading that President Karzai hopes will keep him in power within a deeply misogynist society.

Mr Karzai, the West’s indecisive placeman in Afghanistan, eager to please everyone, has quietly signed an amended version of what has become known as the “marital rape law”, to retain popularity with clerics and his male followers. While the clause insisting that a man has the right to sex with his wife a certain number of times a week may have been removed, the Shia Personal Status Law, described as “abhorrent” in its original form by President Obama, remains abhorrent. It allows a man to deny his wife food if she denies him conjugal sex, grants guardianship of children to fathers and grandfathers, lets rapists pay to avoid being prosecuted, and requires women to get permission from their husbands to work.

The result would be funny if it weren’t so tragic. The British Army, decent and professional and upstanding as ever, now finds itself fighting to within an inch of the polling stations in order to allow Afghan men to continue mildly unpleasant habits such as withholding food from their wives, insisting on sex and imprisoning them in their own home. (Which makes you wonder exactly what the problem with the Taleban was.) Cyncially, Mr Karzai knows that in his deeply conservative country voting remains a man’s game. Women have the right to vote — at strictly segregated women-only polling stations — but the turnout is likely to be poor. Only 38 per cent have registered for Thursday’s election and far fewer are expected to appear.

Poor security, illiteracy (85 per cent of women have no formal education), a reluctance to have their photographs taken for their voting cards and a shortage of female staff to run the female polling stations will keep many voters away from the ballot box. In more traditional Islamic areas, suspiciously high levels of female registration have been reported, as men use women’s cards for their own choices.

Mr Karzai is a Pashtun, one of the more conservative groupings in Afghanistan. Despite paying lip service to the West, the President apparently maintains his own double standards. His wife, Zinat Karzai, a medical doctor, is conspicuous by her absence. She has no voice, is rarely seen in public and is reported to have told an activist that she did not leave the house because her husband did not like it and did not give his permission.

This is not an issue that will be solved overnight by the imposition of ballot boxes. The Pashtuns have a dangerous code of honour that says that it is the absolute duty of men to protect the respectability of women and the integrity of their homeland; and the inviolability of both are closely related. This, reinforced by ignorance and suppression, translates as the age-old sentiment “Only I am allowed to hurt my women”. It keeps women in Afghanistan — and in Islam in general — trapped. Up to 80 per cent, the organisation Women for Women International found, are affected by domestic violence, and those brave enough to seek help are further molested by government representatives. Almost half of all girls are forced into marriage before 16, and some as young as 9.

In a survey, 47 per cent of Afghan women said that they needed their husbands’ or family’s permission to walk down the street. Significant numbers complained about their inability to go to school or work without permission (wages are one third of men’s). Even more shockingly, an Afghan woman’s average life expectancy is only 44 years. The maternal mortality rate is 1,600 to 1,900 deaths per 100,000 live births, meaning that one woman dies in childbirth every 29 minutes. In rural areas, the percentage of women who cannot access healthcare is as high as 90 per cent. Against this, the issue of whether or not a Muslim girl can bathe in a burkini in France suddenly seems rather minor.

So amid the corruption, we must be fiercely pragmatic. Although Mr Karzai has effectively betrayed half the population of his country by signing the personal status law, under his stewardship it is possible to say that things have improved a little for women, and can only, with stability and democracy, improve even further. It will be an achingly slow process — the horrific statistics tell you that — but it can only move in a better direction.

As Women for Women International put it, women’s wellbeing is the bellwether of society: how women fare correlates directly with how society fares overall. The only way a new Afghanistan is ever going to emerge is if their place in society undergoes a revolution.

And one can say that revolution is starting. Since 2001, women represent 27 per cent on the National Assembly. The Afghan Government has committed to fast tracking women in the civil service to 30 per cent by 2013. There is a female cabinet minister, an Afghan Women Judges Association, and two women are standing in the presidential elections.

Despite the increase in rape, and the violence, and the daily dismay of being second-class citizens, the vast majority of Afghan women believe that there has been an improvement in general life. In the face of their optimism, we have to stick with them.
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Re: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in Bible.

Postby Free Spirit » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:48 am

QAMERSLAND wrote:
Simon wrote:People constantly bang on about the Old Testament to attack Christians, but you need to understand that Christians do not follow the vast majority of the teachings of the Old Testament, because the New Testament superceded a lot of it.

They are called Christians because they follow the teachings of Christ.

Jesus taught people not to judge when the Jews were going to put a woman to death, Jesus told the Jews not to fight the Romans and to love your enemies.


I agree with you that Christians have rejected the Old teaching but i am sorry to say they are not even following what Jesus (Peace be upon him) says in the New Testament.

Matthew 5:17: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Prophet Muhammad (pox be unto) in the Old Testament:

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

1. MUHAMMAD (pox be unto him) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:

Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)

Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pox be unto him) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).

Words in the mouth:

Prophet Muhammad (pox be unto him) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

[Deuteronomy 18:18]

iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

3. Muhammad (pox be unto him) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pox be unto him) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

4. prophet Muhammad (pox be unto him) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (pox be unto him) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pox be unto him) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pox be unto him) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

Prophet Muhammad ([b]pox be unto him) in the New Testament:[/b]

Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:

"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah ((pox be unto him)t) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "

All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pox be unto him) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pox be unto him).

4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pox be unto him)
NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.
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Postby Linichka » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:12 am

Thanks for the addition, Free Spirit! It happens to be what I mentally add whenever I hear (or read) flowery mentions of Mohammed.
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Postby Bad Boy » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:29 am

miltiades wrote:Rubbish as usual.
Read this religious man and tell us whether you aggree that in your faith a man has a right to rape his wife .
Do tell us please if this barbaric law meets with your approval , and please less of this boring peace be .....

Right to rape: is that what we’re fighting for?


Just days before the elections, however, we learn that the ideological battle for women is already compromised, sacrificed in the murky horse trading that President Karzai hopes will keep him in power within a deeply misogynist society.

Mr Karzai, the West’s indecisive placeman in Afghanistan, eager to please everyone, has quietly signed an amended version of what has become known as the “marital rape law”, to retain popularity with clerics and his male followers. While the clause insisting that a man has the right to sex with his wife a certain number of times a week may have been removed, the Shia Personal Status Law, described as “abhorrent” in its original form by President Obama, remains abhorrent. It allows a man to deny his wife food if she denies him conjugal sex, grants guardianship of children to fathers and grandfathers, lets rapists pay to avoid being prosecuted, and requires women to get permission from their husbands to work.

The result would be funny if it weren’t so tragic. The British Army, decent and professional and upstanding as ever, now finds itself fighting to within an inch of the polling stations in order to allow Afghan men to continue mildly unpleasant habits such as withholding food from their wives, insisting on sex and imprisoning them in their own home. (Which makes you wonder exactly what the problem with the Taleban was.) Cyncially, Mr Karzai knows that in his deeply conservative country voting remains a man’s game. Women have the right to vote — at strictly segregated women-only polling stations — but the turnout is likely to be poor. Only 38 per cent have registered for Thursday’s election and far fewer are expected to appear.

Poor security, illiteracy (85 per cent of women have no formal education), a reluctance to have their photographs taken for their voting cards and a shortage of female staff to run the female polling stations will keep many voters away from the ballot box. In more traditional Islamic areas, suspiciously high levels of female registration have been reported, as men use women’s cards for their own choices.

Mr Karzai is a Pashtun, one of the more conservative groupings in Afghanistan. Despite paying lip service to the West, the President apparently maintains his own double standards. His wife, Zinat Karzai, a medical doctor, is conspicuous by her absence. She has no voice, is rarely seen in public and is reported to have told an activist that she did not leave the house because her husband did not like it and did not give his permission.

This is not an issue that will be solved overnight by the imposition of ballot boxes. The Pashtuns have a dangerous code of honour that says that it is the absolute duty of men to protect the respectability of women and the integrity of their homeland; and the inviolability of both are closely related. This, reinforced by ignorance and suppression, translates as the age-old sentiment “Only I am allowed to hurt my women”. It keeps women in Afghanistan — and in Islam in general — trapped. Up to 80 per cent, the organisation Women for Women International found, are affected by domestic violence, and those brave enough to seek help are further molested by government representatives. Almost half of all girls are forced into marriage before 16, and some as young as 9.

In a survey, 47 per cent of Afghan women said that they needed their husbands’ or family’s permission to walk down the street. Significant numbers complained about their inability to go to school or work without permission (wages are one third of men’s). Even more shockingly, an Afghan woman’s average life expectancy is only 44 years. The maternal mortality rate is 1,600 to 1,900 deaths per 100,000 live births, meaning that one woman dies in childbirth every 29 minutes. In rural areas, the percentage of women who cannot access healthcare is as high as 90 per cent. Against this, the issue of whether or not a Muslim girl can bathe in a burkini in France suddenly seems rather minor.

So amid the corruption, we must be fiercely pragmatic. Although Mr Karzai has effectively betrayed half the population of his country by signing the personal status law, under his stewardship it is possible to say that things have improved a little for women, and can only, with stability and democracy, improve even further. It will be an achingly slow process — the horrific statistics tell you that — but it can only move in a better direction.

As Women for Women International put it, women’s wellbeing is the bellwether of society: how women fare correlates directly with how society fares overall. The only way a new Afghanistan is ever going to emerge is if their place in society undergoes a revolution.

And one can say that revolution is starting. Since 2001, women represent 27 per cent on the National Assembly. The Afghan Government has committed to fast tracking women in the civil service to 30 per cent by 2013. There is a female cabinet minister, an Afghan Women Judges Association, and two women are standing in the presidential elections.

Despite the increase in rape, and the violence, and the daily dismay of being second-class citizens, the vast majority of Afghan women believe that there has been an improvement in general life. In the face of their optimism, we have to stick with them.



As usual same mistake again!,

Dont judge the car by its driver but by its made. Qamarsland is talking about preachings of islam, not the bullshit laws some black sheep is making to secure his position in elections or etc.

I dont understand one thing, Afghanistan doesnt even have Shariya law, they are following democracy, western law, all the punishments for any sin are according to west not islamic and when if they bring any new bullshit law, all you chritians and western media take it as islamic law ?????

WHY DOUBLE FACES?????????????????????????
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Postby Bad Boy » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:50 am

Simon wrote:
Jesus taught people, love your enemies[/b].


If your love to your enemies is death of 3 million innocent people in iraq then i believe your hate can really destroy all world.
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Postby miltiades » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:22 pm

Bad boy , cut the crap out. The law in Afghanistan is representative of the Islamic outlook on women with the exception of perhaps Turkey most other Muslim nations consider women as second class objects.
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Postby QAMERSLAND » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:50 pm

miltiades wrote:Bad boy , cut the crap out. The law in Afghanistan is representative of the Islamic outlook on women with the exception of perhaps Turkey most other Muslim nations consider women as second class objects.


What you see in Afghanistan is more traditional then Islamic.

Islam consider man and women equal but different.
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Re: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in Bible.

Postby Me Ed » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:56 pm

[quote="QAMERSLAND]
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:

Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:

"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "

All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.


Qamersland these verses do refer to the Holy Spirit and the Pentecost.

John:14.16 - the Holy Spririt to this very day abides with us and continues to guide the Church from the day of Pentecost to the present - Muhummad is long dead.

John:15.26 - Jesus Christ states that HE will send the Comforter, which he did on the day of Pentecost when he sent the Holy Spirit - I do not remember it being stated anywhere that Jesus Christ sent Muhummad.

John:16:7 - Jesus Christ again states that HE will send the Comforter and that must leave quickly so that the Comforter can come. The Pentecost occured shortly after the ressurection of Christ, wheras as Muhammad appeared some 600 years later so why the expediency?

John:16:12-24: Christs Disciples where concerned about what would happen when he was gone and send the Holy Spirit to them on Pentecost.

These verse also confirm the doctines of the Trinity and Christs divinity.

You wade through the old and new testament looking for proof of Muhammad and Islam, but you're only deluding yourself.

If you read them in the Spirit of Truth then you will come to see the truth.
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Postby Simon » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:01 pm

Bad Boy wrote:
Simon wrote:
Jesus taught people, love your enemies[/b].


If your love to your enemies is death of 3 million innocent people in iraq then i believe your hate can really destroy all world.


You're confusing the war in Iraq as a religious war. It is a common mistake amongst Muslims. Most of the British don't even believe in God.

The majority of people in Iraq are not the US or Britain's enemy. Only the terrorists are. Not sure about your figures, 3 million? And finally, most people have been killed by insurgents because of religion.

I can certainly see how much you love your enemy. :roll:
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