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[YFred]

There is no real problem of economic viability in the north. What the hell did you expect after 35 years of embargo, to be competing with you?

Whatever happens by the end of the year, the embargos will go soon after. Then in a matter of maybe 5 years, TCs will be self sufficient from Turkish Government. The choice is the GCs. Either they wish to share or going it alone and the next referendum or not will determine that.

[cymart]

Negotiations should take place between the leaders and their teams,not via the mass media which often makes a negative spin on any developments anyway and almost seems to be hoping the whole thing will collapse!
It would be far better if they went away to a secret location for a few weeks where the media were banned,worked out the best compromise deal they could and then came back and did their best to sell it to the people on each side before a referendum is held after a couple of months or so.Personally I am not in favour of a referendum for many reasons,one being that so much animosity was created here before the last one that many people are not objective about what solution is attainable or informed enough to be able to weigh up the consequences.The leadership on each side should take the responsibility,possibly supported by a parliamentary vote....if they are not able and willing to do that thay should not be there!

[Nikitas]

mikkie2,

the economy of Turkey is in transitional period right now and it depends on providing a cheap manufacturing base for mostly European companies that outsource their production. And even then, it is not the whole of the country that benefits from this situation but mostly the northwest, essentially the European part of Turkey. This is the reason that Istanbul has absorbed one third of the population of Turkey. Some isolated industrial centers exist outside this area, but they are few.

North Cyprus cannot have such an economic model. It has neither the energy nor the transport links to act as a a manufacturing base. So it is unlikely to cram a million people in there.

You refer to the reaction of refugees if the option I outlined is chosen. But the refugees are deprived of their property now, and are unlikely to regain it if Talat is to be believed. Talat wants bizonality to extend to property ownership. The TCs do not own enough property in the south to exchange for land in the north. SO refugees will have to swallow a bitter pill no matter what.

What I wanted to underline is that it is preferable to be independent on 63 per cent of Cyprus than permanently enslaved in an unprecedented federation engineered to suit Turkey. A federation that Turkey itself does not regard as democratic enough in solving its own minority problem with the Kurds.

[YFred]

mikkie2,

the economy of Turkey is in transitional period right now and it depends on providing a cheap manufacturing base for mostly European companies that outsource their production. And even then, it is not the whole of the country that benefits from this situation but mostly the northwest, essentially the European part of Turkey. This is the reason that Istanbul has absorbed one third of the population of Turkey. Some isolated industrial centers exist outside this area, but they are few.

North Cyprus cannot have such an economic model. It has neither the energy nor the transport links to act as a a manufacturing base. So it is unlikely to cram a million people in there.

You refer to the reaction of refugees if the option I outlined is chosen. But the refugees are deprived of their property now, and are unlikely to regain it if Talat is to be believed. Talat wants bizonality to extend to property ownership. The TCs do not own enough property in the south to exchange for land in the north. SO refugees will have to swallow a bitter pill no matter what.

What I wanted to underline is that it is preferable to be independent on 63 per cent of Cyprus than permanently enslaved in an unprecedented federation engineered to suit Turkey. A federation that Turkey itself does not regard as democratic enough in solving its own minority problem with the Kurds.

You are totally wrong regarding the land comparison. It cannot be compared donum for donum in the real world. Land in the south is ten times the value of land in the north. No matter how you go about it, the TCs will benefit from that fact. You will finally reap the benefit of your wrong policies for the last 35 years. Thinking you are weakening the hand of he TCs, but all the time you are strengthening their negotiating position.

Wait another 35 years and you will have to hand land back to the TCs.

[Kikapu]

You are totally wrong regarding the land comparison. It cannot be compared donum for donum in the real world. Land in the south is ten times the value of land in the north. No matter how you go about it, the TCs will benefit from that fact. You will finally reap the benefit of your wrong policies for the last 35 years. Thinking you are weakening the hand of he TCs, but all the time you are strengthening their negotiating position.

Wait another 35 years and you will have to hand land back to the TCs.

Who the hell is your accountant, YFreak.?

So what you are saying is, the reason why the north has a 3rd world conditions according to your past post is not because of the occupation by Turkey and embargoes directed by the UNSC, but it is because by deliberate intention by the TCs to make the north in becoming poorer and poorer in comparison to the south, so that they will be able to claim the whole island, just because the south will get richer and richer in the meantime just because they are in the EU and are also practicing True Democracy.!

You have now most definitely earned both the titles as being Dumb & Dumber.!:lol:

[YFred]

You are totally wrong regarding the land comparison. It cannot be compared donum for donum in the real world. Land in the south is ten times the value of land in the north. No matter how you go about it, the TCs will benefit from that fact. You will finally reap the benefit of your wrong policies for the last 35 years. Thinking you are weakening the hand of he TCs, but all the time you are strengthening their negotiating position.

Wait another 35 years and you will have to hand land back to the TCs.

Who the hell is your accountant, YFreak.?

So what you are saying is, the reason why the north has a 3rd world conditions according to your past post is not because of the occupation by Turkey and embargoes directed by the UNSC, but it is because by deliberate intention by the TCs to make the north in becoming poorer and poorer in comparison to the south, so that they will be able to claim the whole island, just because the south will get richer and richer in the meantime just because they are in the EU and are also practicing True Democracy.!

You have now most definitely earned both the titles as being Dumb & Dumber.!:lol:

I am now sure you are from planet Uranus, kikosh baby.

I hope not your accountant that's for sure.

So, you are going to say to a Limasolian, now look here old chap, I know you have a plot of land in Limasol worth 100000, but be a good chap and just accept this plot just outside Kaleburnu, same size and all that but only worth 1000. And this grateful TC will thank and bow to you and your greatness.

As far as why these circumstances arose I haven’t said anything about who planned it. Certainly not TCs or Turkey. You will find the planners of this situation in the RoC. But their intention was not the result achieved but the opposite. They were hoping to suffocate the TCs into submission, but in fact have converted the TCs land in the south to gold and their own in the north to dust. So I guess its bitter sweet result for all the suffering the TCs have been put through by the RoC. How about that? Isn’t that a bit of True Natural Justice? It makes a change when a plan turns and kick the perpetrator in the ass.

Go jump in an a lake where flamingos live. You have truly squared the circle, what?
Dumb & Dumber and even more Dumb.! spring to mind old chap. How is the floor you are standing on these days? Is it new?

[Nikitas]

"Land in the south is ten times the value of land in the north."

OK, so if I give you three donums in Vavatsinia, a village on the old Nicosia Larnaca road, you will give me thirty donums in Kyrenia?

You really are a perverse thinker!

In any case it is not simply a matter of value, that is secondary and is part of the property issue. There is the territorial aspect that involves other considerations.

Have you ever thought YFred that wealth is not simply found or taken, for the majority of the people in the world it is something CREATED. Look at Singapore, Hong Kong, Beirut, Silicone Valley for good examples of this concept.

[cymart]

Look at places like Russia in contrast,where most wealth is stolen in one way or another!

[Get Real!]

Wait another 35 years and you will have to hand land back to the TCs.

What TCs in 35 years?

[YFred]

Wait another 35 years and you will have to hand land back to the TCs.

What TCs in 35 years?

Don't you worry you little mind over that one. I'l be there with the rest of the clan.